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This is a forum not a courthouse and it does seem people keep going back round in circles to oh its gossip. Well if I am told one bit of information and then share it and its dismissed its another piece of the jigsaw filled in. In the same way if Paul writes on a forum that he is in Cambodia while someone leaked that he used a lawyer on Mactan to sneak him out via Davao to Singapore onto Thailand. Then like Cambodia yes they are still rumours as the use of lies from Paul is legendery. Sifting through what is said involves discussion from multiple members as the lawyer for example someone gave him the number. But only shows that he had a lawyers number but if then someone says they seen him in Davao 2 weeks ago it would connect two things together that came from 3 sources.

The case being prepared is in Moalboal not here this is a discussion of current events which unfolds every day and with proxy IP's using Thailand and Laos as well as several versions of things going on having an "open forum" is the easiest way to filter things out as true or false. Also there is very little that can be done to prove things for certain individuals if so sure Paul is a wonderful guy and the sunshines out of his rear end go look for yourself. You can contact PNP or BOI at the same time if your in the U.S. maybe contact his ex wife regarding hanging off the side of a car. You can find the members who were owed money by Paul and find out if they got paid as I am sure if they did they would have no problem in confirming it.

Paul believed JJ was in the U.S. as he was trying to contact her as he believed she remarried yet he told me their divorce had never happened so she was infact illegally married. But the reason he was looking for her was to get the annulment of their marriage but he was struggling to find where she went. Even with JJ someone else came forward saying she was in Australia as her sister lives there. But if you find JJ you can have her statement from the case she raised in person. May pay to contact her sister if easier to find. Reason I won't be looking for this though is I had it confirmed by 2 of the PNP that originally arrested him as they were asking why he was still in the Philippines.

Which gets onto the BOI as the PNP like every foreigner deportation hand over the arrested to BOI who will give them to Interpol or whatever other international branch that have an interest in the party. In this case it was just removing Paul from the Philippines which the BOI did even though Paul bought his own ticket his blacklisting is in place. How he got back into the Philippines afterwards is easier than many assume. There are muslim extremists coming and going as they please in Mindanao which the Philippines government are pretty powerless to stop so I doubt a bolding overweight expat would be their top priority.

Simply search through and confirm things yourself. As you can see with other things you only have to throw in a question or what someone has said to find out why or what happened.
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LinC but not as we know it! And look who's the "Technical Admin" - none other than Paul Petrea. The site uses exactly the same software as the other LinC and is hosted in the same place!
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And what about this post on the Forum?
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Further down the same thread, he says he'll be taking Vivien and her son, Quinn, to Cambodia with him.

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Quote from: Mark on April 25, 2012, 04:50:34 PMLinC but not as we know it! And look who's the "Technical Admin" - none other than Paul Petrea. The site uses exactly the same software as the other LinC and is hosted in the same place!
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And what about this post on the Forum?
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Further down the same thread, he says he'll be taking Vivien and her son, Quinn, to Cambodia with him.

Once upon a time, I went fishing on a private lake, without permission..... and I caught lots and lots of fish, and when I was confronted with my law breaking ways, I ran, I ran fast and hard to not get caught and then, while I was running and hiding,  I found a new lake... I was worried I would have to start all over learning that new lake, but I learned that this new lake had LOT's of new fish... fish that had never seen the bait I used.... and life was great again, I was again the "king" fisherman.

Ooops, sorry... off topic... or is it?   >:D

Legal Disclaimer: The above writing is strictly metaphorical in nature and is in no way to be construed as a representation of fact, only of one person's sarcastic sense of humor.
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Quote from: Dzighnman on April 25, 2012, 06:00:30 PMOnce upon a time, I went fishing on a private lake, without permission..... and I caught lots and lots of fish, and when I was confronted with my law breaking ways, I ran, I ran fast and hard to not get caught and then, while I was running and hiding,  I found a new lake... I was worried I would have to start all over learning that new lake, but I learned that this new lake had LOT's of new fish... fish that had never seen the bait I used.... and life was great again, I was again the "king" fisherman.

Ooops, sorry... off topic... or is it?   >:D

Eleanor Roosevelt once said, ... "No one can have power over you unless you give them permission"....

I read that as pertinent to "Bullying" and Abuse" by any person ON any other person  = unless the 2nd. party is a prisoner..


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QuoteAs the "Report" button merely sends a message to the blog owner Iliadis, what's the point?
Sir, if you kindly would go through the painful process of visiting this blogs again, there are "report Blog" buttons on the top or bottom of any blog which will open a communication windows with the Blog Company and not with the Blogger.

An Individual can always complain to the "Publisher".

This certainly is a better way then just voice out Anger in another place ineffectively.


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Quote from: MattWilkie on April 25, 2012, 03:37:27 PM
Quote from: ancienrocka on April 25, 2012, 01:02:23 PMI don't know who told you that but they are very wrong - they must have been quite close to Paul though for them to have had enough inside knowledge that you would trust their word. 

I never, ever paid Paul any advertising fee or commissions on clients that I gained from his forum. I never ever paid him any money what so ever, for anything! 

In the early days, when we were just starting up, a lot of our business came from his forum or from Tom's PEF forum. Now, most of our business is directly from our website. Why did Paul help me by putting up a banner for free?  I believe it was because I gave honest and informed advice about visas, weddings, business set ups, etc, which his members found useful.

As an earlier poster stated, this thread is thin on facts and thick on gossip and innuendo.  In any court room the prosecuting or defense attorney will say "Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, these are the facts of the case", but they only become legal facts when the jury,(or a judge), says they are!

Paul told me personally he charges P6,000 per year for advertising on LinC as the same day he was talking about giving the income to charity he was grumbling about a business being too tight to pay for advertising on the forum. Add to that someone who knows Paul and connected with his forum at that time mentioning you pay a premium annually you can see why it would make sense you did when Paul himself says he does charge.

I paid P8K for Gustavian!

On some of the other issues going on here, I am simply astonished by the people who don't know the guy, or just barely, and they will argue just for the sake of argument against people who have knwn his for 5 or more years. It just boggles the mind!
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Quote from: Bob Ward on Yesterday at 12:58:47 AM
I paid P8K for Gustavian!

On some of the other issues going on here, I am simply astonished by the people who don't know the guy, or just barely, and they will argue just for the sake of argument against people who have knwn his for 5 or more years. It just boggles the mind!

I am astonished, outraged, perplexed and confused  as to why someone would continue any type of a relation with someone of a questionable background (as portrayed by people on this forum) for 5 years or more.

Sorry, I forgot, you were all afraid of him. :))

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Quote from: MattWilkie on April 25, 2012, 06:30:13 AMThe truth in Evan's blogs as far as I can see are things that are copies of original documents such as the arrest of Paul in 2006 news article. I don't think anything he actually writes is taken seriously beyond that. Someone playing both sides is exactly what is going on with the example being the Thailand phone number that both conveniently Evan has as well as arriving here.

Going back in a loop yet again at what point has anything been confirmed to Paul's whereabouts? People mentioning Thailand,Cambodia the U.S. are all things fed from PAUL himself. The messages he's been putting out on a yahoo group come via a mail proxy that is his at Hostgator is that speculation? I gave the Whois details of the domain ownership and the VPS host package its named under. Nobody has confirmed Paul is in Thailand or any where else but if you don't discuss what details have come forward how would you locate him? They are questions and things people have heard not statements. But discussing them fills in some of the gaps as several things connect.

Shame into leaving LinC is something you keep coming back to yet have you heard it from any of the Administration here or moderation? Those discussing that have been members giving their point of view in the same way you have been allowed to give yours. I'm sure if this was LinC you would find your posts already deleted by now. Yet here you are saying people have no right of opinion and that one persons opinion or a few is the responsibility of everyone. Isn't that the point they are arguing yet you've just added weight to it by assuming the entire forum thinks the same way?

People have explained why they stayed on LinC up until they left and the reasons they left, expecting there to be something in the background as something else is all a bit conspiracy theorist.

I don't think Paul is a scammer I think he just doesn't care if others lose their money or not on investments. As long as he has his fill. More importantly the way he treats women he sees as normal behaviour. Anyone who has spent time round him its very obvious which is why I have argued the "my Filipina" phrase many a time because in some cases its in a nice way but Paul's is in relation to ownership more like a dog. This isn't gossip but things I have seen and others.

Referring to a witch hunt I will get back to the point the original thread starter is relevant right up until today. Notice how the stuff in 2006 wasn't followed through about Paul's statements on his deportation and other information regarding a phone load business used for arranging prostitution? Probably not, but the fact is nobody here was there at that time so it was dismissed not because it isn't true but there is no way to confirm one way or the other. What was confirmed though was the existence of the nightlife forum within LinC back then which is another important factor as it clarified where that information came from as true at the time and that as far as everyone is aware there is no such thing these days. Why is that important? The Police raid should be enough evidence of why I wouldn't want to be part of a forum associated with prostitution and especially unknowingly as for me that's an abuse of my trust. But its confirmation of being in 2006 and the reason for the removal of the nightlife forum to a second site also stops "gossip" as things are confirmed by people who know, yet it sat in limbo for years this is the stuff Evan feeds off the question marks.

Running away and avoiding repaying the debts owed as well as not saying where the money went is "Fraud" you can lead a merry dance but it doesn't get away from the fact he disappeared when the loan business went sour and nothing has been confirmed to say he has "repaid" the big investors. Is the business illegal or legal it was sold as a legitimate business and there are several things that can make it "legal". First being you can have an agreement between two people that they will repay a loan that is legally binding. A loan company will often have a bank account opened so that the person who borrowed the amount writes a cheque for the monies owed. That is legally binding just having that cheque in your hands signed by the person with the loan. Barangay officials do mediation for person to person loans because surprisingly enough its extremely common in the Philippines. Was it a fully fledged legal loan business there is no paperwork to prove one way or the other or who was the owner "on paper". To have a legitimate 100% loan company in the Philippines you have to have P1m collateral to start and register with the BIR. But there are loop holes like I showed above with cheques and person to person lending. What Paul did though however was actively promote the investment into the business. The last time I seen Paul and Bill was at a pool party with Fanboat where Paul told me he had already recovered his P1million and was now retired (You see even that statement is fact from his mouth yet some are already thinking where did Paul get P1m to invest. Which gets back to its stuff Paul said and no doubt he told someone else a different figure).

Bill seemed clueless on lending as Paul confirmed himself as everything being on paperwork and not computer. I never invested a single peso in the venture but was aware that they seemed extremely disorganised and hadn't looked at any legalities. The same conversations with Paul and Bill were witnessed by a previous tenant of mine who was also at the pool party. Why was I interested in the business? Because I was curious to what they were upto as a couple of years earlier Paul had told me how risky loan businesses were in the Philippines yet here I seen him heavily involved in one. He's no criminal mastermind for sure but seems to bungle through life and this is the part that bothers me as his lack of regard for others is a concern.

Many won't even remember the Legacy stuff but it did leave many people out of pocket and having to leave the Philippines. I looked at the policy and what bothered me was how people pushed the government insurance on the policy more than it being a good investment which is why I didn't invest in that either. Problem with Paul is he has a position of trust he abuses for personal benefit. Expats often assume there is a being abroad bond between different people yet its how others feed off new expats. Perfect example of that is the E-book pushers, nothing illegal about it the books are just overpriced and of little value in my opinion. At the same time I would say investing in anything in the Philippines or elsewhere without researching it yourself will always be high risk. Problem is many people pass the buck onto Paul as trusting him and his judgement. Doesn't mean Paul isn't guilty of encouraging risky investments as a financial advisor I am sure he would be fired! But at the same time many of these people have met and known Paul personally and his word is the reason they invested as they trusted him. I have seen many schemes here which are geared towards becoming an agent and selling to family and friends on purpose because they are dubious and likely to fail. But everyone has to take their responsibility in their actions of selling a product actively. Deleting discussions because you don't like what is being said after it failed isn't what I call dealing with the problem. Bin the users, delete the threads, next what we investing in this week with the new flock?

We can all get caught out from time to time and I did with a poor quality cellphone load business. I wrote about it and bought 2 domains to warn people that it didn't deliver what was promised and the domains are still there. I didn't delete the posts I put regarding trying the service and the reasons I took it on as you can still find the information in the blog today. That is a big difference because it showed that we all make mistakes and although not totally defunct the service just couldn't keep up with the demand as well as other bugs. None of which was told to me until after I bought the product and found it. The groups involved in the "selling" actively push the just concentrate on selling it and not mention the negative (what that it doesn't work?). Putting the stuff online warned others of the problems as well as other people coming forward to say they had the same issues A. it didn't work and B. the people selling it aggressively wanted them shut up. At the same time though I also received emails from others who agreed and asked "hey we have another product that also does ferry timetables want to buy?". This is the way of the Philippines and its marketers they are jumping product to product as they fail.

This gets back to Legacy then the Loan investments because the other thing to mention here is that its the only 2 investments people are aware of openly Paul was involved in. More importantly he promoted and encouraged others to get involved in as well as gained a percentage from. But this still doesn't get away from the fact Paul vanished when it went sour and money was outstanding to certain investors.

Call it a salesman selling the London Bridge or an alcoholic with low moral value exploiting trust for personal profit you can take your pick.

But at the same time people seem to be concentrating on things of irrelevance where Paul is Cambodia,Laos,Thailand etc. Does it matter? In the same way people are entitled to an opinion to believe he's still in the Philippines. None of this has been stated as FACT but simply a discussion. Paul was supposed to have used a lawyer based on Mactan to exit via Davao because he couldn't leave via Cebu or Manila. Flying via Singapore out to Thailand according to what some people have heard. Doesn't mean its true unless any of it is confirmed. In the same way Paul on his U.S. trip called from a ferry to Mark for the phone number of Ian in Davao (No it wasn't a paddleboat steamer with Huckleberry Finn in the U.S. although telling stories seems to be rather common for Paul it was a ferry in the Philippines). Point here being Paul has told lie after lie.

Should he keep quiet or come forward? I think even he knows its of no benefit to come forward now as he's left it too long. I emailed him when this all started before I knew what had happened to Americano's wife telling him to contact the people involved directly to sort it all out after he emailed me about this forum.

At that time I was aware of the loan business going sour from people arriving here and shortly afterwards the assault on Americano's wife. this forum was never put up in any connection with LinC except to move away from the "sexpat" types of conversation that people mentioned. I would also say though those saying that Paul should just be ignored and "bury this" attitude to it all that maybe if it was your money or wife you many have a different opinion. Paul has had an impact on many peoples lives and the ability to delete and remove things he didn't like in the past has let him get away with doing things over and over again. Paul is not enemy no.1 but he is one person who's actions have impacted on others and even more so when he removes them to keep them quiet.
Thank you for the extensive answer, i assume it is partially adressed to my prior post.

However, from a Filipino viewpoint, and that is the one that matters, the entire Agenda is at most entertaining.
Often seen, and often noted with amusement,foreigners seem to find it desirable to accuses/harrass/file cases against each other. Not uniquely to expats living in the Philippines, it is also a widespread habbit among the Pinoy comunity abroad. Maybe because the "powerlessness" in their new surrounding makes them directing their frustration against each toehr, similar to a marriage conflict caused by third parties. It is so much easier to argue or blame a person one can trust and know.

Legacy Scandal - Mr. Petrea did not do anything different than thousands of other Filipino People when he recommended an investment into this.
I do not know Mr.Petrea, but from the numerous Posts he made in his own forum he does not appear to be the smartest man in the Universe. Sorry to say, but anyone listening to anything about financial Investment or business is a own fault. Harsh, but the truth is that way. I assume a similar thing went with his or the Mr. Bill ledning business. Which by the way is illegal for ALL foreigners, active or passive. Aliens are only allowed to invest in certain "lending" arrangements, in short, only in licensed banking operations.
Bowever, the bottom line is still - why would anyone listen to a Highschool Dropout ? In any matter of advice ?

The other point is his arrest/deportation with newspaper articel published. Sorry to say that, but there are nth foreigners getting deported from the Philippines on a daily base, most of them for overstaying their Visas ( as it was the case with Mr. Petrea )
I fact i myself know a few Foreigners (mainly Chinese but also one American) which have done that and then due to several reason fail to correct this matter. Only after months/years they went to the BI and "corrected" their failure. The Immigration is actually well aware of many of them, but they nonchalant let them come up instead of simply arresting and deporting them. This is due to the fact that IF they would arrest, they have to deport. On a "Surrender" base though they can collect penalties and other fees.
Th bottom line again- Should we condemn the simple act of deportation ? remembger, it can happen to any Alien, it only takes a disgruntled wife to expose certain "facts".

Third, and that should be enough response. The "abuses" of Mr. Petra. I do not know him, some People in this thread do though, but apparently he is an alcoholic with a lower social background.
I think it is called Trailor Park community? Now to be honest, what does one expect from those kind ? Not that i want to classify them all, but indications are, that many of those are having issues with physical abuse. Which explains the same story about Mr. Petrea and his first wife.
Now this may appear scandalous to the average Person/Reader, but i can assure you from  multiple own witnesssing in the US, that this is pretty common there. And it often don't stop with abuse, murder and manslaugher is the continuation of this violence.
And yes, it is definitely despicable and worth fling a case, but his has to be done by the Victims.Now it seems, some here know the Victim and they are also at guilt by NOT acting upon it. Just talking about it does not change a thing.
And until then, meaning actual cases filed and decided, those cases are non-existent.
Bottom line agin- the prevailing poverty and social circumstances in the poor class of the Philippines more or less ignores this kind of behavior. This probably explain why there are so many undesirable elements among the foreign community. But i repeat, if one doesn't do anything, he is just as guilty as the offender.
Talking or writing about it is just chatter...

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Quote from: anonymous guy on Yesterday at 12:46:55 AM
QuoteAs the "Report" button merely sends a message to the blog owner Iliadis, what's the point?
Sir, if you kindly would go through the painful process of visiting this blogs again, there are "report Blog" buttons on the top or bottom of any blog which will open a communication windows with the Blog Company and not with the Blogger.

An Individual can always complain to the "Publisher".

This certainly is a better way then just voice out Anger in another place ineffectively.

Paul did request to have Evan's blog taken down the "report button" is of very little use and generally unless its something that will cause problems for the host its very unlikely they will remove anything.

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The element of trust on Legacy/Bills lending is something that has been discussed the fact of it "its ok to rob people because they should know better" isn't a defense for Paul's actions. Also forgetting the disappearance of the monies with no explanation. Doesn't matter if he knew what he was doing or not being stupid isn't used often in court as "sorry your honor he's just too dumb to know what he was doing". You don't know the setup of the investment business and this is typical oh its illegal because I heard it was stuff. Unless you understand or know the way the company was setup you don't know if it was illegal or not. As I said there are loop holes that people use in the same way family members can sue each other for loans they gave to each other it can also be manipulated as P2P lending as a loan company doesn't need to be in existence.

Oh its ok Filipino's do the same to each other so its all perfectly fine is the worst argument I have heard from anyone so far. Fact is its hushed up extensively as I mentioned with the load business I was involved with they want you shut up so they can keep people buying a product. Doesn't make it ok or right what it does mean though is there aren't enough safe guards or legal representation in the Philippines for the general public from fake businesses and pyramid schemes. Spend a bit of time on Filipino forums you will also see them discussing issues of scams such as visa processing and naming and shaming of the people involved to try and serve warrants. Its not just the expat community that is warning others, the Philippines like most of Asia has more than its fair share of scammers and con artists some are well planned and organised while others although only concerned about themselves put others at risk of losses in various forms.

It happens in other countries doesn't give anyone a get out of jail free card just means there are more crooks and more importantly a lot of them headed out from other countries to Asia because they have warrants pending back home.

Harassing each other and filing charges? Don't know if you noticed only 2 cases mentioned filed are against the same person 1 in 2006 and 1 currently. The rest is just a discussion regarding previous events that happened. Maybe your quite happy to sit amongst crooks,drunks and child abusers? Maybe your one of those that comes here and say "its ok this is the Philippines" (in other words its ok to do what you want because this is a country you believe you have a right to abuse).

Oddly enough a lot of the members here that aren't connected with what Paul has been upto have came here because of the "sexpat" type topics that have opened up on LinC over time and got tired of it. Why would people associate with Paul? I think your getting it the wrong way round why is it Paul associates with others? Why did Paul set up LinC to use as a tool to manipulate people financially? Why does he lie about the same thing in different ways to different people? Why is it his site sets itself up as the expat forum to be on for information yet behind the scenes he is no ambassador of the community? In fact he's exactly what a lot of the community want to distance themselves from. Paul is how many Filipino's see foreigners here you want to be part of that stigma? I sure don't and the "its ok its the Philippines" doesn't wash with me and never has done.

Something that hasn't been discussed here and is something people should be aware of is that people didn't just sit around for years regarding Paul there has been other disputes in the past. I wasn't part of them I just know that certain individuals have had their fill of Paul before. Also the assumption of association assumes people are actually physically in touch or hanging around with each other. Most people don't spend time with Paul regularly as nobody lives even in the same town. Some may have spent time with him before but over the years most if not all spent less and less time around him for obvious reasons. Its normally gatherings that people bump into him rather than a "lets meet up with Paul" day.

I can't understand the point your trying to make about Paul's deportation? He was deported whatever way you look at it and blacklisted. I have spent time with the arresting officers last year and earlier this year regarding other things. The deportation was the choice of BOI as the PNP would gladly send him off to Cebu jail. You may not have read my other stuff regarding Thomas Rhuland a German child abuser who sold images and videos of the abuse online via a network he was deported as well to the U.S. and now believed to be in a nice comfy German prison cell. My argument has always been that they should serve their sentence here and why are they removed quietly as justice is not served for the child victims and the cutoff of investigation means that its unlikely anyone will look into if there were parents and relatives involved in the crime. This also means the children are still likely to be part of a child abuse syndicate (yes more than one Thomas Rhuland type here and they were communicating via PM's and cellphone text to where to find children).

The reason he was "overstaying" and not jailed for assault seems to be a matter of course here but also taking into account deporting him also left his wife to escape from harm. A court case could go either way but having an expired visa is an easy way to get rid of the problem for the authorities and keep JJ from him at very little cost to the Philippines government. It can happen to any Alien? Sorry want to point something out here I DO NOT PROMOTE OR SUPPORT ILLEGAL ACTIVITY. You and them are guests of the Philippines if they have expired visas there is no excuse they agreed to the rules of the Philippines when entering the country and should abide by their laws. A disgruntled wife you mean a woman that was regularly assaulted and beaten who was witnessed being hit in a bar which was the unraveling of Paul in 2006? Maybe behind closed doors women in your eyes need put into place with a bit of slapping around but any assault on a woman for me is unacceptable you can always leave the room even if you have a short fuse.

Coming from a trailer park background justifies Paul's actions? Does that mean a child of a serial killer is allowed to kill others as it comes naturally? Does this mean beheading people in Afghanistan is acceptable because its what they have done for Centuries? Your talking nonsense. You can keep your social worker stuff to children as I have had my fill of "its not his fault its his upbringing" for years as I have seen it inside the social system of the UK.

All I hear from you is justification for anything that Paul does and yet you admit yourself you don't know him. You speak of from a Filipino point of view yet you can only say such as a Filipino otherwise its just assumptions. But also bearing in mind I have never met a Filipino who says they read expat forums. They would have to particularly go out their way to be looking for something as its not the first thing that would come to my mind when looking online in my home country for example. E.g. Expats in the UK why would I ever look at sites relating to them?

What I do see here though is going round in circles explaining things over and over again but bearing in mind it doesn't bury the thread and we won't be closing it.
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Quote from: MattWilkie on Yesterday at 04:18:36 AM
Quote from: anonymous guy on Yesterday at 12:46:55 AM
QuoteAs the "Report" button merely sends a message to the blog owner Iliadis, what's the point?
Sir, if you kindly would go through the painful process of visiting this blogs again, there are "report Blog" buttons on the top or bottom of any blog which will open a communication windows with the Blog Company and not with the Blogger.

An Individual can always complain to the "Publisher".

This certainly is a better way then just voice out Anger in another place ineffectively.

Paul did request to have Evan's blog taken down the "report button" is of very little use and generally unless its something that will cause problems for the host its very unlikely they will remove anything.
They do act if they received several complaints, they just do not act upon one or two.

It is always a "check and balance" procedure in those companies.


 

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Quote from: MattWilkie on Yesterday at 05:13:31 AMThe element of trust on Legacy/Bills lending is something that has been discussed the fact of it "its ok to rob people because they should know better" isn't a defense for Paul's actions. Also forgetting the disappearance of the monies with no explanation. Doesn't matter if he knew what he was doing or not being stupid isn't used often in court as "sorry your honor he's just too dumb to know what he was doing". You don't know the setup of the investment business and this is typical oh its illegal because I heard it was stuff. Unless you understand or know the way the company was setup you don't know if it was illegal or not. As I said there are loop holes that people use in the same way family members can sue each other for loans they gave to each other it can also be manipulated as P2P lending as a loan company doesn't need to be in existence.

Oh its ok Filipino's do the same to each other so its all perfectly fine is the worst argument I have heard from anyone so far. Fact is its hushed up extensively as I mentioned with the load business I was involved with they want you shut up so they can keep people buying a product. Doesn't make it ok or right what it does mean though is there aren't enough safe guards or legal representation in the Philippines for the general public from fake businesses and pyramid schemes. Spend a bit of time on Filipino forums you will also see them discussing issues of scams such as visa processing and naming and shaming of the people involved to try and serve warrants. Its not just the expat community that is warning others, the Philippines like most of Asia has more than its fair share of scammers and con artists some are well planned and organised while others although only concerned about themselves put others at risk of losses in various forms.

It happens in other countries doesn't give anyone a get out of jail free card just means there are more crooks and more importantly a lot of them headed out from other countries to Asia because they have warrants pending back home.

Harassing each other and filing charges? Don't know if you noticed only 2 cases mentioned filed are against the same person 1 in 2006 and 1 currently. The rest is just a discussion regarding previous events that happened. Maybe your quite happy to sit amongst crooks,drunks and child abusers? Maybe your one of those that comes here and say "its ok this is the Philippines" (in other words its ok to do what you want because this is a country you believe you have a right to abuse).

Oddly enough a lot of the members here that aren't connected with what Paul has been upto have came here because of the "sexpat" type topics that have opened up on LinC over time and got tired of it. Why would people associate with Paul? I think your getting it the wrong way round why is it Paul associates with others? Why did Paul set up LinC to use as a tool to manipulate people financially? Why does he lie about the same thing in different ways to different people? Why is it his site sets itself up as the expat forum to be on for information yet behind the scenes he is no ambassador of the community? In fact he's exactly what a lot of the community want to distance themselves from. Paul is how many Filipino's see foreigners here you want to be part of that stigma? I sure don't and the "its ok its the Philippines" doesn't wash with me and never has done.

Something that hasn't been discussed here and is something people should be aware of is that people didn't just sit around for years regarding Paul there has been other disputes in the past. I wasn't part of them I just know that certain individuals have had their fill of Paul before. Also the assumption of association assumes people are actually physically in touch or hanging around with each other. Most people don't spend time with Paul regularly as nobody lives even in the same town. Some may have spent time with him before but over the years most if not all spent less and less time around him for obvious reasons. Its normally gatherings that people bump into him rather than a "lets meet up with Paul" day.

I can't understand the point your trying to make about Paul's deportation? He was deported whatever way you look at it and blacklisted. I have spent time with the arresting officers last year and earlier this year regarding other things. The deportation was the choice of BOI as the PNP would gladly send him off to Cebu jail. You may not have read my other stuff regarding Thomas Rhuland a German child abuser who sold images and videos of the abuse online via a network he was deported as well to the U.S. and now believed to be in a nice comfy German prison cell. My argument has always been that they should serve their sentence here and why are they removed quietly as justice is not served for the child victims and the cutoff of investigation means that its unlikely anyone will look into if there were parents and relatives involved in the crime. This also means the children are still likely to be part of a child abuse syndicate (yes more than one Thomas Rhuland type here and they were communicating via PM's and cellphone text to where to find children).

The reason he was "overstaying" and not jailed for assault seems to be a matter of course here but also taking into account deporting him also left his wife to escape from harm. A court case could go either way but having an expired visa is an easy way to get rid of the problem for the authorities and keep JJ from him at very little cost to the Philippines government. It can happen to any Alien? Sorry want to point something out here I DO NOT PROMOTE OR SUPPORT ILLEGAL ACTIVITY. You and them are guests of the Philippines if they have expired visas there is no excuse they agreed to the rules of the Philippines when entering the country and should abide by their laws. A disgruntled wife you mean a woman that was regularly assaulted and beaten who was witnessed being hit in a bar which was the unraveling of Paul in 2006? Maybe behind closed doors women in your eyes need put into place with a bit of slapping around but any assault on a woman for me is unacceptable you can always leave the room even if you have a short fuse.

Coming from a trailer park background justifies Paul's actions? Does that mean a child of a serial killer is allowed to kill others as it comes naturally? Does this mean beheading people in Afghanistan is acceptable because its what they have done for Centuries? Your talking nonsense. You can keep your social worker stuff to children as I have had my fill of "its not his fault its his upbringing" for years as I have seen it inside the social system of the UK.

All I hear from you is justification for anything that Paul does and yet you admit yourself you don't know him. You speak of from a Filipino point of view yet you can only say such as a Filipino otherwise its just assumptions. But also bearing in mind I have never met a Filipino who says they read expat forums. They would have to particularly go out their way to be looking for something as its not the first thing that would come to my mind when looking online in my home country for example. E.g. Expats in the UK why would I ever look at sites relating to them?

What I do see here though is going round in circles explaining things over and over again but bearing in mind it doesn't bury the thread and we won't be closing it.
I am sorry if i made you angry just because i criticise the general witchhunt.
I was just going through the topics here and posted to the ones coming up on top giving my opinion about it. Andi reserached all about it before i did by reading the links, blogs and other matters which made me conculde what i eventually wrote.

One should not overlook that everybody can beat victim one day. or with Biblical words, one who is innocent should not throw the first stone.

If you carefully read again my post i do not deny some of the facts, but i put them in the correct perspective to their significance. Which isn't a defense in my opinion. But that may vary.

However:

I dislike the way you mix up and exagerrate certain aspects by mentioning and mixing Pedofiles, Afgan terrorists, Serial killers and other subjects in that argumentation.

So i will remain silent as probably desired by you.

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Didn't make me angry at all, you justified the fact that Paul came from a bad background as if it gives him a right to do what he does to other people. I just gave other examples to show why that isn't acceptable. Strange how some find its ok for Paul to do it and not other alternatives of the same argument.
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