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Quote from: anonymous guy on Today at 04:05:40 AMWorse, and please allow me this critic, the blogs of Evan Iliadis now have the goal to bring down the Living in Cebu Forum, and this Forum does a similar thing. ( In business it is a "no no" to harm competitors, it leaves a bad taste with "customers" )
Please do not compare this Forum to Evan Iliadis' blogs whose primary purpose is to bring-down Paul Petrea. That is not why this Forum was created which was to provide a viable alternative source of information and a place where foreigners and Filipinos can interact and discuss topics in a family-oriented atmosphere. It is perhaps unfortunate that this topic was among the first to be created and has grown to over 600 messages and well over 10,000 page views making it our most popular topic by far.

QuoteNow i am asking, even when the "owner" of Living in Cebu is a crook ( which has to be manifested first, innocent until prooven guilty, right ?)   does that justify that the entire forum has to be "tainted" as a Sexpat forum....
That Living in Cebu Forums has been tainted as a "Sexpat Forum" by Iliadis is not a view I share particularly as there are clearly many members, past and present, who certainly do not fit into that category. That said and speaking as a former LinC Staff member, I can tell you that it was becoming increasingly clear that Paul was habitually giving a "free ride" to certain individuals whose moral code fits that description.

QuoteJust look into Evan's "blogs" of shame and you'll find Philipp Rowe, Tim Potter, Steven Matrix, Guenther Vomberg, Bob Ward and others among a gallery of "ugly" guys. Actually the entire "Living in the Philippines" forum is called more or less a "child of Paul Petrea".
My name appears there too. I banned Iliadis from this Forum and because I did so, in his rather sordid and twisted mind, I must be a "Paul sympathizer". What Iliadis doesn't realize is that were I a sympathizer as he maintains I am, I would surely have closed or deleted this topic as indeed I have been requested to do on two separate occasions by Paul himself?

QuoteSomewhere here in this Topic it was mentioned that there are facts in the blogs of Mr. Iliadis-. After carefully reading and evaluating i can not find ANY proof of any of the allegations.
There are, in fact, a few - a precious few - solid provable facts regarding Paul Petrea but you do have to sift through a mountain of innuendo and rumour spun as "fact" in order to find them.

QuoteThe entire stuff is made up by a Person with severe psychological issues and should not even be mentioned, in fact, everybody should report those blogs immediately ( there is a nice button for that ) and not just ignore them.
As the "Report" button merely sends a message to the blog owner Iliadis, what's the point?

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The truth in Evan's blogs as far as I can see are things that are copies of original documents such as the arrest of Paul in 2006 news article. I don't think anything he actually writes is taken seriously beyond that. Someone playing both sides is exactly what is going on with the example being the Thailand phone number that both conveniently Evan has as well as arriving here.

Going back in a loop yet again at what point has anything been confirmed to Paul's whereabouts? People mentioning Thailand,Cambodia the U.S. are all things fed from PAUL himself. The messages he's been putting out on a yahoo group come via a mail proxy that is his at Hostgator is that speculation? I gave the Whois details of the domain ownership and the VPS host package its named under. Nobody has confirmed Paul is in Thailand or any where else but if you don't discuss what details have come forward how would you locate him? They are questions and things people have heard not statements. But discussing them fills in some of the gaps as several things connect.

Shame into leaving LinC is something you keep coming back to yet have you heard it from any of the Administration here or moderation? Those discussing that have been members giving their point of view in the same way you have been allowed to give yours. I'm sure if this was LinC you would find your posts already deleted by now. Yet here you are saying people have no right of opinion and that one persons opinion or a few is the responsibility of everyone. Isn't that the point they are arguing yet you've just added weight to it by assuming the entire forum thinks the same way?

People have explained why they stayed on LinC up until they left and the reasons they left, expecting there to be something in the background as something else is all a bit conspiracy theorist.

I don't think Paul is a scammer I think he just doesn't care if others lose their money or not on investments. As long as he has his fill. More importantly the way he treats women he sees as normal behaviour. Anyone who has spent time round him its very obvious which is why I have argued the "my Filipina" phrase many a time because in some cases its in a nice way but Paul's is in relation to ownership more like a dog. This isn't gossip but things I have seen and others.

Referring to a witch hunt I will get back to the point the original thread starter is relevant right up until today. Notice how the stuff in 2006 wasn't followed through about Paul's statements on his deportation and other information regarding a phone load business used for arranging prostitution? Probably not, but the fact is nobody here was there at that time so it was dismissed not because it isn't true but there is no way to confirm one way or the other. What was confirmed though was the existence of the nightlife forum within LinC back then which is another important factor as it clarified where that information came from as true at the time and that as far as everyone is aware there is no such thing these days. Why is that important? The Police raid should be enough evidence of why I wouldn't want to be part of a forum associated with prostitution and especially unknowingly as for me that's an abuse of my trust. But its confirmation of being in 2006 and the reason for the removal of the nightlife forum to a second site also stops "gossip" as things are confirmed by people who know, yet it sat in limbo for years this is the stuff Evan feeds off the question marks.

Running away and avoiding repaying the debts owed as well as not saying where the money went is "Fraud" you can lead a merry dance but it doesn't get away from the fact he disappeared when the loan business went sour and nothing has been confirmed to say he has "repaid" the big investors. Is the business illegal or legal it was sold as a legitimate business and there are several things that can make it "legal". First being you can have an agreement between two people that they will repay a loan that is legally binding. A loan company will often have a bank account opened so that the person who borrowed the amount writes a cheque for the monies owed. That is legally binding just having that cheque in your hands signed by the person with the loan. Barangay officials do mediation for person to person loans because surprisingly enough its extremely common in the Philippines. Was it a fully fledged legal loan business there is no paperwork to prove one way or the other or who was the owner "on paper". To have a legitimate 100% loan company in the Philippines you have to have P1m collateral to start and register with the BIR. But there are loop holes like I showed above with cheques and person to person lending. What Paul did though however was actively promote the investment into the business. The last time I seen Paul and Bill was at a pool party with Fanboat where Paul told me he had already recovered his P1million and was now retired (You see even that statement is fact from his mouth yet some are already thinking where did Paul get P1m to invest. Which gets back to its stuff Paul said and no doubt he told someone else a different figure).

Bill seemed clueless on lending as Paul confirmed himself as everything being on paperwork and not computer. I never invested a single peso in the venture but was aware that they seemed extremely disorganised and hadn't looked at any legalities. The same conversations with Paul and Bill were witnessed by a previous tenant of mine who was also at the pool party. Why was I interested in the business? Because I was curious to what they were upto as a couple of years earlier Paul had told me how risky loan businesses were in the Philippines yet here I seen him heavily involved in one. He's no criminal mastermind for sure but seems to bungle through life and this is the part that bothers me as his lack of regard for others is a concern.

Many won't even remember the Legacy stuff but it did leave many people out of pocket and having to leave the Philippines. I looked at the policy and what bothered me was how people pushed the government insurance on the policy more than it being a good investment which is why I didn't invest in that either. Problem with Paul is he has a position of trust he abuses for personal benefit. Expats often assume there is a being abroad bond between different people yet its how others feed off new expats. Perfect example of that is the E-book pushers, nothing illegal about it the books are just overpriced and of little value in my opinion. At the same time I would say investing in anything in the Philippines or elsewhere without researching it yourself will always be high risk. Problem is many people pass the buck onto Paul as trusting him and his judgement. Doesn't mean Paul isn't guilty of encouraging risky investments as a financial advisor I am sure he would be fired! But at the same time many of these people have met and known Paul personally and his word is the reason they invested as they trusted him. I have seen many schemes here which are geared towards becoming an agent and selling to family and friends on purpose because they are dubious and likely to fail. But everyone has to take their responsibility in their actions of selling a product actively. Deleting discussions because you don't like what is being said after it failed isn't what I call dealing with the problem. Bin the users, delete the threads, next what we investing in this week with the new flock?

We can all get caught out from time to time and I did with a poor quality cellphone load business. I wrote about it and bought 2 domains to warn people that it didn't deliver what was promised and the domains are still there. I didn't delete the posts I put regarding trying the service and the reasons I took it on as you can still find the information in the blog today. That is a big difference because it showed that we all make mistakes and although not totally defunct the service just couldn't keep up with the demand as well as other bugs. None of which was told to me until after I bought the product and found it. The groups involved in the "selling" actively push the just concentrate on selling it and not mention the negative (what that it doesn't work?). Putting the stuff online warned others of the problems as well as other people coming forward to say they had the same issues A. it didn't work and B. the people selling it aggressively wanted them shut up. At the same time though I also received emails from others who agreed and asked "hey we have another product that also does ferry timetables want to buy?". This is the way of the Philippines and its marketers they are jumping product to product as they fail.

This gets back to Legacy then the Loan investments because the other thing to mention here is that its the only 2 investments people are aware of openly Paul was involved in. More importantly he promoted and encouraged others to get involved in as well as gained a percentage from. But this still doesn't get away from the fact Paul vanished when it went sour and money was outstanding to certain investors.

Call it a salesman selling the London Bridge or an alcoholic with low moral value exploiting trust for personal profit you can take your pick.

But at the same time people seem to be concentrating on things of irrelevance where Paul is Cambodia,Laos,Thailand etc. Does it matter? In the same way people are entitled to an opinion to believe he's still in the Philippines. None of this has been stated as FACT but simply a discussion. Paul was supposed to have used a lawyer based on Mactan to exit via Davao because he couldn't leave via Cebu or Manila. Flying via Singapore out to Thailand according to what some people have heard. Doesn't mean its true unless any of it is confirmed. In the same way Paul on his U.S. trip called from a ferry to Mark for the phone number of Ian in Davao (No it wasn't a paddleboat steamer with Huckleberry Finn in the U.S. although telling stories seems to be rather common for Paul it was a ferry in the Philippines). Point here being Paul has told lie after lie.

Should he keep quiet or come forward? I think even he knows its of no benefit to come forward now as he's left it too long. I emailed him when this all started before I knew what had happened to Americano's wife telling him to contact the people involved directly to sort it all out after he emailed me about this forum.

At that time I was aware of the loan business going sour from people arriving here and shortly afterwards the assault on Americano's wife. this forum was never put up in any connection with LinC except to move away from the "sexpat" types of conversation that people mentioned. I would also say though those saying that Paul should just be ignored and "bury this" attitude to it all that maybe if it was your money or wife you many have a different opinion. Paul has had an impact on many peoples lives and the ability to delete and remove things he didn't like in the past has let him get away with doing things over and over again. Paul is not enemy no.1 but he is one person who's actions have impacted on others and even more so when he removes them to keep them quiet.
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Witch hunt - An investigation carried out ostensibly to uncover subversive activities but actually used to harass and undermine those with differing views.

Swindling money,sex with prostitutes,beating up women,illegally staying in a country,driving with an estranged wife dangling from a car. I would say those views differ from mine as acceptable and normal! But hey everyone to their own.

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Quote from: Terp54 on Today at 04:22:12 AM
QuoteMy hair stood on end when I read his Linc postings describing his sexual exploits over his then girlfriend. I couldn't believe what I was reading, thinking (hoping) at first that it was a send-up joke.

I don't know which posts you're referring too. But there was one topic and a couple posts that still stick in my mind that I couldn't believe I was reading on a so called family oriented site.

The posts that come to mind were the ones where he mentioned how proud he was that he'd persuaded his current girlfriend at the time to shave her pubic hairs and the other one was that he'd finally taken her virginty.

At the time I didn't know he was talking about an underage girl.

Then the last straw for me was the one on the topic on oral sex.

I don't recall who started the topic, but I was sure it wouldn't last long, but to my suprise Paul jumped into the conversation and not only didn't put an end to it but encouraged further disccusion on the subject.

Paul was so proud of her shaving that one night he posted a close up picture of her shaved parts.  Her picture was on Linc for a while but he removed it the same night.  I know at least one person copied the picture and has it safely stored away for evidence.  If the girl files charges against him the picture will be presented in court as evidence.

It was illegal for him to make a picture of a minor's vagina and it was illegal for him to post it on the Internet, so there's another fact you can add to your collection.

I saw the picture.  I know some have said they saw the picture but I don't remember who they are. Did any of you see it?   
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Quote from: Americano on Today at 07:37:51 AMDid any of you see it?   

Yes, and I had to wash my eyes out with soap and water... but my shock in truth came from the fact that he had stated categorically just a few days earlier that porn would not be tolerated ESPECIALLY UNDERAGE porn in that hidden forum... not that nudity is porn but his inference was any uncovered parts.

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Quote from: Fatty2x on Today at 07:57:18 AM
Quote from: Americano on Today at 07:37:51 AMDid any of you see it?   

Yes, and I had to wash my eyes out with soap and water... but my shock in truth came from the fact that he had stated categorically just a few days earlier that porn would not be tolerated ESPECIALLY UNDERAGE porn in that hidden forum... not that nudity is porn but his inference was any uncovered parts.

I just want to make clear, to those ex LINC members here, that the hidden forum being mentioned was NOT DTD. The rules there are the same as the Dodgy Knees Club here - NO PORN.


Some say his scrotum has its own small gravity field...

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Quote from: Fatty2x on Today at 07:57:18 AMbut my shock in truth came from the fact that he had stated categorically just a few days earlier that porn would not be tolerated ESPECIALLY UNDERAGE porn in that hidden forum...

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relating his "preferences" and actions with the girls in his life did cause me to wonder.?
I did think he might have been "feeding" the forum to increase "traffic".?

His tale of how badly the PNP treated him after he crashed a motorcyclist had me questioning his poor judgement.

Now I know better.!

Tom

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Quote from: MattWilkie on Yesterday at 10:22:49 AMI don't think anyone knows for FACT what Paul does with his forum money but what is known is how he likes to squeeze out the pesos for advertising in the past (Can't confirm recently as I have nothing to do with LinC for a few years. Only used it for people PMing me or people sending me links refering to specific threads). But I am sure Bob Ward can tell you how much Paul was asking for having a link in his Signature previously. Paul Whiteway pays for advertising and the site is pretty full of adverts for lots of other things. Yet I have never heard Paul mention ANY charities that he gives money to only saying he gives all the profits to charity. Which is a bit surprising that none of the charities on his forum that have threads have mentioned regular donations from the forum. You would think a forum advertising charities would actually be supporting one it was promoting wouldn't you?

Personally Paul told me he was paying someone P60,000 a month to deal with the forum and other sites for the charity donations yet at no point did he say which charity and P60,000 wouldn't leave a lot for the charity! Why would you offer up P60,000 for a local worker to manage funds? I don't know anyone who would trust someone on a regular basis with large amounts of money without having any safety nets in process to monitor the flow of cash. I certainly can't see why anyone would pay someone P60k to process funds as well as LinC's earnings are probably around that figure total.

As regards Tsismis (Gossip) I think Americano confirming that Jinky isn't with Paul isn't gossip as it also ties into proof of her being only 16 when she started sexual activity with Paul from her own account. As there was a debate over her age which she confirmed herself she's only recently turned 18. The smoke of lies stems from misinformation fed out of Paul's mouth that gave different turns of events and changing believed facts. Some people dismiss them as they heard it first hand from Paul but Jinky is only just 18 for example and not Paul's version of events. The giving to charity stuff is a typical example where there seems to be no facts just Paul saying he does it. Same as his income from the U.S. has had multiple versions I have heard from different people :-
Fell off an electrical pylon as a lineman - receiving disability cheques.
Hires out a fleet of trucks in the U.S. for regular payments.
Received an inheritance from his father.
Receiving a 2nd pension (I think he may be refering to social security cheques as his first pension).

Only when people discuss things jointly can things be separated into facts or fiction as well as who has been spinning bull. Most people don't know where Paul is so why would you assume Jinky wasn't there? I've never seen Paul sober and several people have mentioned Paul's state of health he isn't dragging a girl along just for comfort he'll be using her as a maid as well as 101 other things.
I've just logged on to this forum again after a long absence and I see that people are still quoting "facts" that are not true and trying to blacking everyone. I HAVE NEVER PAID FOR ANY ADVETISING ON PAUL'S SITE or ON ANY OTHER SITE. AN APOLOGY WOULD BE NICE!!!

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I was told you were paying for banner advertisements on LinC on an annual basis, that however transcends into you not paying anything or giving percentages of anything that comes via clients from LinC to Paul then I apologise as the person who told me believed you had begun paying some time ago.

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Quote from: singers on Today at 09:33:29 AM
Quote from: Fatty2x on Today at 07:57:18 AMbut my shock in truth came from the fact that he had stated categorically just a few days earlier that porn would not be tolerated ESPECIALLY UNDERAGE porn in that hidden forum...

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relating his "preferences" and actions with the girls in his life did cause me to wonder.?
I did think he might have been "feeding" the forum to increase "traffic".?

His tale of how badly the PNP treated him after he crashed a motorcyclist had me questioning his poor judgement.

Now I know better.!

Tom

Laughable... HOW POORLY THEY TREATED HIM...... I was there, I saw it, it happened in front of my restaurant, after he had drank his lunch. I helped him take photos and keep the growing crowd of angry Filipinos at bay. The police  asked politely for his drivers license, replied, lost it, ID, lost it, Passport, lost it, as he made an illegal U-turn that led to this accident, he was asked to report to the police station for the report. I was asked to go get his girlfriend (Vivian) I did and together we went to the police station... when we found Paul out back, he had already bought a case of beer and was in the holding cell drinking with some of the investigators. In the end, he told me that it cost him 20,000 php for the medical costs of the injured biker.. (negotiated down from 40,000) of course, we all know when you have an accident and HAVE all your ID's, you still pay medical costs in this country.. that is a minimum. The biker was speeding, did not have a helmet, etc... but the point here is, he got off pretty cheap and was back drinking at my place that evening..... treated poorly???? Just another spinning of the truth, by an habitual liar. He probably had to pay some bribes, but so goes the life of someone in a foreign country illegally, and without ID.... he was back drinking again 4 hours after the accident.... oh, and since it is relatively topical, Vivian was right by his side the whole time, even had gone to the bank for him to get cash... and he was as abusive as ever taking out every frustration of the day on that poor girl, that sprang to help him even though he had a different girlfriend at the time and she knew it.... it is one disrespectful and pathetic lifestyle he leads.
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I don't know who told you that but they are very wrong - they must have been quite close to Paul though for them to have had enough inside knowledge that you would trust their word. 

I never, ever paid Paul any advertising fee or commissions on clients that I gained from his forum. I never ever paid him any money what so ever, for anything! 

In the early days, when we were just starting up, a lot of our business came from his forum or from Tom's PEF forum. Now, most of our business is directly from our website. Why did Paul help me by putting up a banner for free?  I believe it was because I gave honest and informed advice about visas, weddings, business set ups, etc, which his members found useful.

As an earlier poster stated, this thread is thin on facts and thick on gossip and innuendo.  In any court room the prosecuting or defense attorney will say "Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, these are the facts of the case", but they only become legal facts when the jury,(or a judge), says they are!

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Quote from: ancienrocka on Today at 01:02:23 PMI don't know who told you that but they are very wrong - they must have been quite close to Paul though for them to have had enough inside knowledge that you would trust their word. 

I never, ever paid Paul any advertising fee or commissions on clients that I gained from his forum. I never ever paid him any money what so ever, for anything! 

In the early days, when we were just starting up, a lot of our business came from his forum or from Tom's PEF forum. Now, most of our business is directly from our website. Why did Paul help me by putting up a banner for free?  I believe it was because I gave honest and informed advice about visas, weddings, business set ups, etc, which his members found useful.

As an earlier poster stated, this thread is thin on facts and thick on gossip and innuendo.  In any court room the prosecuting or defense attorney will say "Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, these are the facts of the case", but they only become legal facts when the jury,(or a judge), says they are!

Why he did that was to use your business reputation to bolster his site... to reference a reputable business like yours helps him to build on his facade of legitimacy.   IMHO
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Quote from: singers on Today at 01:12:07 AM"We are people here on the ground daily trying to rid our place of yet one more sexpat wanker giving the rest of us a bad name!"

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Exceedingly so and rather a praiseworthy endeavor.  Twood be my "forte" also.

Tom

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Quote from: Dzighnman on Today at 12:56:07 PM
Quote from: singers on Today at 09:33:29 AM
Quote from: Fatty2x on Today at 07:57:18 AMbut my shock in truth came from the fact that he had stated categorically just a few days earlier that porn would not be tolerated ESPECIALLY UNDERAGE porn in that hidden forum...

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relating his "preferences" and actions with the girls in his life did cause me to wonder.?
I did think he might have been "feeding" the forum to increase "traffic".?

His tale of how badly the PNP treated him after he crashed a motorcyclist had me questioning his poor judgement.

Now I know better.!

Tom

Laughable... HOW POORLY THEY TREATED HIM...... I was there, I saw it, it happened in front of my restaurant, after he had drank his lunch. I helped him take photos and keep the growing crowd of angry Filipinos at bay. The police  asked politely for his drivers license, replied, lost it, ID, lost it, Passport, lost it, as he made an illegal U-turn that led to this accident, he was asked to report to the police station for the report. I was asked to go get his girlfriend (Vivian) I did and together we went to the police station... when we found Paul out back, he had already bought a case of beer and was in the holding cell drinking with some of the investigators. In the end, he told me that it cost him 20,000 php for the medical costs of the injured biker.. (negotiated down from 40,000) of course, we all know when you have an accident and HAVE all your ID's, you still pay medical costs in this country.. that is a minimum. The biker was speeding, did not have a helmet, etc... but the point here is, he got off pretty cheap and was back drinking at my place that evening..... treated poorly???? Just another spinning of the truth, by an habitual liar. He probably had to pay some bribes, but so goes the life of someone in a foreign country illegally, and without ID.... he was back drinking again 4 hours after the accident.... oh, and since it is relatively topical, Vivian was right by his side the whole time, even had gone to the bank for him to get cash... and he was as abusive as ever taking out every frustration of the day on that poor girl, that sprang to help him even though he had a different girlfriend at the time and she knew it.... it is one disrespectful and pathetic lifestyle he leads.

The police  asked politely for his drivers license, replied, lost it, ID, lost it, Passport, lost it.

You forgot to mention two things which Paul told me, the multicab did not have a current registration and he didn't have insurance, both of which are required by law.  He preaches about obeying the laws in the Philippines but he has a total disregard for the laws.  And he's in the Philippines illegally, why isn't that enough for the diehard Paul supporters? 

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Quote from: Dzighnman on Today at 01:07:29 PM
Quote from: ancienrocka on Today at 01:02:23 PMI don't know who told you that but they are very wrong - they must have been quite close to Paul though for them to have had enough inside knowledge that you would trust their word. 

I never, ever paid Paul any advertising fee or commissions on clients that I gained from his forum. I never ever paid him any money what so ever, for anything! 

In the early days, when we were just starting up, a lot of our business came from his forum or from Tom's PEF forum. Now, most of our business is directly from our website. Why did Paul help me by putting up a banner for free?  I believe it was because I gave honest and informed advice about visas, weddings, business set ups, etc, which his members found useful.

As an earlier poster stated, this thread is thin on facts and thick on gossip and innuendo.  In any court room the prosecuting or defense attorney will say "Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, these are the facts of the case", but they only become legal facts when the jury,(or a judge), says they are!

Why he did that was to use your business reputation to bolster his site... to reference a reputable business like yours helps him to build on his facade of legitimacy.   IMHO
Never thought of that angle!

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Quote from: ancienrocka on Today at 01:02:23 PMI don't know who told you that but they are very wrong - they must have been quite close to Paul though for them to have had enough inside knowledge that you would trust their word. 

I never, ever paid Paul any advertising fee or commissions on clients that I gained from his forum. I never ever paid him any money what so ever, for anything! 

In the early days, when we were just starting up, a lot of our business came from his forum or from Tom's PEF forum. Now, most of our business is directly from our website. Why did Paul help me by putting up a banner for free?  I believe it was because I gave honest and informed advice about visas, weddings, business set ups, etc, which his members found useful.

As an earlier poster stated, this thread is thin on facts and thick on gossip and innuendo.  In any court room the prosecuting or defense attorney will say "Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, these are the facts of the case", but they only become legal facts when the jury,(or a judge), says they are!

Paul told me personally he charges P6,000 per year for advertising on LinC as the same day he was talking about giving the income to charity he was grumbling about a business being too tight to pay for advertising on the forum. Add to that someone who knows Paul and connected with his forum at that time mentioning you pay a premium annually you can see why it would make sense you did when Paul himself says he does charge.
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