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You guys have me totally confused on this Sh*T

When I joined LinC in Aug/Sep 2010, I joined as a Life Time Member - I sent Paul $45 - Does that make me now, two years later, an aider and abettor of Paul's?

Some time in July/ Aug of 2010 (Before I became a member of LinC) I had some account problems with Xoom - they dropped my account with out explanation.  Good News for me, I found a better service to transfer money from the US to our Accounts here in the Philippines.  Some time after I joined the LinC, Paul shared his story about his difficulties with Xoom - I added my two to four pesos and had from time to time updated my feelings about that company (Xoom) on LinC.

Now here it is 2012 and I am on a new site and I am told that anyone that had problems with Xoom must be in the same boat as Paul - he is a crook and was using his Xoom account for illegal activity and thus anyone who uses Xoom must be involved in illegal activity.

I have to agree with Art on some of this BS  - This is guilt by association and if you have proof than produce it - if not than stick to your facts - if you guys can't tell the difference and nothing is going to be done about it - then let me know so I can leave this site as well -


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Mike,

It sounds like you are getting this forum mixed up with Evans blog.  Loosing your Xoom account doesn't make you a criminal.  There could be many reasons for that happening.

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Its strange how some can disassociate by being "I am only a user" at the same time make claims to others being buddies with Paul in the past. I have met Paul around 5 times and only once was it a meet up that was arranged between us the rest had just been at the same place at the same time for people we mutually know. My wife refuses to meet up with other expats because of the way she seen Paul treat Vivian. Only very few people we know directly ever meet my wife.

Paul enemy number one is a bit of an overstatement as there are more serious crimes going on in the Philippines yet I don't see one member here in interpol,PNP,NBI,BOI or FBI. Who are here though are people who have had things happen in some way that connects them together. Why didn't people talk out before? Many did and were quickly deleted and banned in the same way things get removed today on LinC its always been like that. People often don't see it though as people are removed rather quickly. What has changed in recent times though is people being able to start their own blog or website without any real knowledge of how to set things up such as blogger,wordpress and others. This has given a voice to some but most of the things Paul got upto are in the past and buried. More importantly the users connected with Legacy and things even further back often have simply just gone.

Why don't the girls file cases? Have you had experiences with battered wives and girlfriends? Domestic violence is one of the biggest headaches for law enforcement due to getting called to acts of violence and being unable to act because the wife/girlfriend won't bring charges. Without the person being assaulted testimony the case is worthless.

Another thing I would like to point out is Paul's move to CarCar did give the impression he was cleaning up his act and telling people that he moved there to "get away from the bars" also reinforced that point. Would ask Art did he have a female with him when you met? As its not difficult to spot the way he treats women.

Why didn't I interfere at the boat trip as someone mentioned "well I would have beat him up blah blah.." Fact is although Pauls acts were vulgar Vivian didn't seem in distress or giving any signs of complaint. As far as I was aware he was with a prostitute as I didn't know Vivian was his girlfriend until the following day. Doesn't mean travelling with a prostitute would have been fine either but its why the boat party split into two beach huts as people distanced themselves from Paul and Dave Hounddriver on the trip. Quite simply I made the decision then to distance myself from Paul and also made Paul aware of his actions as being unacceptable as did several other people. Should I have attacked Paul? For what? being abrupt and vulgar? I am sure that would stand up in a court case. Point is Paul picks particular women in the first place that he can manipulate and control. None of which I knew until after the trip. At the same time that was the ONLY boat trip I ever went on with Paul being on the list of people going.

If Paul had physically assaulted Vivian with some sort of violence I am sure things would have been very different but generally Paul likes to save that until they are alone and out of view of prying eyes.

Why Americano let things go on so long is no doubt affected by events at that time. Yelling down a phone isn't exactly what I would call a solid reason to drop someone you meet up from time to time. Everyone has an off day and if it wasn't the norm you would assume so. Would also point out Art that the "Benefit of the doubt" is something you are giving to Paul even with everything on here yet at the same time deny Americano the same at that time.

Regarding backstabbing I have told Paul exactly what I thought of things he was upto when they happened and no doubt others have done the same. Although would also point out things like "resolving the loan money" being taken into a private forum may still have the biggest 3 investors out of pocket but do you hear them on LinC discussing it? If it was all paid out why not just mark it as repaid and close the thread if it was? I haven't seen the private discussion but would only assume the buck has been passed to Bill and the 3 biggest investors may not have recovered their money yet.

But look for the Legacy information its gone not only there but in a particular Yahoo group relating to another member of LinC who was dealing with selling the contracts. Things being removed and deleted including users that wont shut up has been common for as long as I can remember.

Paul is a small fish in a big pond in comparison to some of the criminals here but he's also one that many know directly or indirectly unlike people like Thomas Rhuland who I doubt anyone here has even met or heard of except for the articles relating to his arrest. But the thing is like Thomas Rhuland people want rid of problem expats and Paul is most definitely in that category and in a very public way.

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To my best recollection/knowledge "FATSO X 2" is the only one here who posted, on LinC, exactly what he thought of Paul.?

Rapidly deleted = of course = by the LinC Wimp Fuxing Mods.

Tom
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Quote from: DaddyMike on Yesterday at 04:23:04 PMYou guys have me totally confused on this Sh*T

When I joined LinC in Aug/Sep 2010, I joined as a Life Time Member - I sent Paul $45 - Does that make me now, two years later, an aider and abettor of Paul's? Reference to donations is quite simply people don't know where they go. As Art pointed out if Paul doesn't give it to charity then its not really an issue but why should he lie? If he's running a server its setting back at least $80 a month so could just as easily said it goes on running costs. Bearing in mind Paul "Tells people" he gives it to charity. I for one never asked as quite simply what he does with his money is his business but lying about giving it to charity is just wrong if he keeps it.

Some time in July/ Aug of 2010 (Before I became a member of LinC) I had some account problems with Xoom - they dropped my account with out explanation.  Good News for me, I found a better service to transfer money from the US to our Accounts here in the Philippines.  Some time after I joined the LinC, Paul shared his story about his difficulties with Xoom - I added my two to four pesos and had from time to time updated my feelings about that company (Xoom) on LinC. I used Xoom twice and binned them because I honestly think the delays are done on purpose to either give money time to clear or to profit on the delay. Imagine having $1m for 3days permanently or a week if you can delay paying people. The Xoom connection however is with Evan don't think anyone's mentioned it here. Also Pauls processing of Xoom I believe was an issue with his name you will get the same with Western Union. E.g. my payments have to include my middle name. Doesn't mean anything illegal is going on.

Now here it is 2012 and I am on a new site and I am told that anyone that had problems with Xoom must be in the same boat as Paul - he is a crook and was using his Xoom account for illegal activity and thus anyone who uses Xoom must be involved in illegal activity.Nothing wrong with using Xoom except its often unreliable (or used to be haven't used it since 2008) Nothing illegal with using it and that's Evan sort of stuff nothing on this thread about it as there is nothing illegal about using it.

I have to agree with Art on some of this BS  - This is guilt by association and if you have proof than produce it - if not than stick to your facts - if you guys can't tell the difference and nothing is going to be done about it - then let me know so I can leave this site as well -The facts are there, there is also ongoing conversations which then lead to things getting checked. E.g. Jinky being underage when have sex with Paul has now been confirmed by herself. Personally I don't like sticking peoples documents online for viewing but would say why would Jinky need to lie? Also a lot of the stuff has been witnessed but proof has been long deleted e.g. the Legacy Investments. Also things like JJ's case being filed are documents that are held by the PNP and deportation was shown in SunStar newspaper previously.

There is however other information not on here and there is a reason for it as there are people in both Evan's camp and Paul's spinning information. Reason it won't be put here is it cannot be confirmed. E.g. a text Jinky received with a Thailand phone number conveniently Evan has also had a Thailand number. If its Paul who gave it to Evan? There wouldn't be many people with the number if its real. There are other things but it all takes time to filter out what is genuine or not.

Someone mentioned about Jinky and it was wrong to assume she was scamming I would like to point out there is more information and its not relevant to Paul as its Jinky's private life. Several people know Jinky personally and other things that have no impact on where Paul is. She seems to have moved on with her life so that information is now irrelevant.
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Time out! I need to get some more popcorn. This is so much better than Mara Clara  :))

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Quote from: Mark on Yesterday at 12:06:36 PMYou want facts? In addition to those posted above, I'll give you two examples of how abusive Petrea is towards Filipinas and both I personally witnessed.

The first is this: at a function that Ancienrocka organised on behalf of the then new owner of "Booze n Brews", some 3 years ago, Paul attended with his then girlfriend, Vivien. At one stage he told (not asked) Vivien to refill his drink and because it took her more than a few seconds to do this - she had to go to the bar to get it - he screamed at her when she returned and screamed at her again because there wasn't enough ice. He then complained to her that his food was cold - like it was her fault!

More recently, last September in fact, he came to Davao to serve divorce papers[1] on an unknowing wife married to an American - a service for which he charges a fat fee. I, along with a few other Davao-based Expats and our wives, met him for lunch after which he needed to get back to the airport to fly back to Cebu. Being a generous soul, I offered him a ride for the 20-something kilometers between the restaurant and the airport. Whilst we were traveling, he received a number of SMS messages from a very worried Jinky. What she was worried about I know not but it angered Petrea to the extent that he called her, called her some very rude names and ended by saying "don't f***ing text me again".

In addition to the facts Matt has posted, here's another for you:

FACT - Petrea attempted to kidnap his son from his estranged/divorced (American) ex-wife and drove some twenty miles or so at high speed with his ex-wife clinging on the hood.

Are you an apologist for this person?

I re-read the post in which don_masbate called on LinC members not to frequent that site. I took it as a suggestion on his part, albeit quite forcibly written. If I considered it to be "controlling" or "trolling", that post would not have been made visible unless and until its author rephrased any offending passages.


Mark, let me guess...  You saw this abusive behavior and still remained a member of linc for some time. 

You ask me if I am an apologist if I don't believe what is written by you guys.  I will ask you if you are a hypocrite since you seem to remain a member of linc until you saw fit only to leave and now shame others for staying.  This question is asked not just of you but of everyone who seems to feel the need to shame others for behavior they want to see. 
 1. Petrea claims he's a licensed Process Server for most, if not all, American States.
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Quote from: lifeisgood on Yesterday at 06:55:00 PM
Mark, let me guess...  You saw this abusive behavior and still remained a member of linc for some time. 

You ask me if I am an apologist if I don't believe what is written by you guys.  I will ask you if you are a hypocrite since you seem to remain a member of linc until you saw fit only to leave and now shame others for staying.

"still remained a member of linc for some time." ??

Not long as I recall it.

In the meantime I suspect setting up "here" was a priority for the Scribe.!

The "Sh1te" had not hit the fan then and UZzz boys are rather slow to desert - even slower than Rat's off of a sinking ship.?

IMO all the bickering about "supporting or staying while knowing" is sh1te.

It appears to me that previously there was lots of smoke.?
Ignored and now with the "case" been taken against Paul, and him doing a runner, and he not fessing up ? there is some material evidence  of actual FIRE.?

Tom
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Quote from: singers on Yesterday at 07:07:43 PM"still remained a member of linc for some time." ??

Not long as I recall it.

Tom

3 years is long to me. 

As I and others have said, this thread has turned into a witch hunt.   If people don't accept what is said they are apologists and should be ashamed of themselves.  Of course those same people watched it happen for years only to continue using the same forum the are trying to shame other members into leaving. 

Others may be thinking it is all facts and reality but they can't seem to figure out what is fact and what is merely opinion.

I understand there isn't anything like getting a new hobby to keep you busy.


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Quote from: lifeisgood on Yesterday at 06:55:00 PMMark, let me guess...  You saw this abusive behavior and still remained a member of linc for some time. 

You ask me if I am an apologist if I don't believe what is written by you guys.  I will ask you if you are a hypocrite since you seem to remain a member of linc until you saw fit only to leave and now shame others for staying.  This question is asked not just of you but of everyone who seems to feel the need to shame others for behavior they want to see.

Please read my reply to Art which answers your first point.

I don't believe I am shaming others for staying and supporting LinC - unless you interpret my words otherwise. Others may be expressing that however. You may be confused by my direct attack against some of its more zealous staff members who are actively stifling any criticisms of either LinC or its owner. So, hypocrisy? No, but if you want to see real hypocrisy, read Paul Petrea's writings on Filipinas and the need to show respect: what he writes and what he does are diametrically-opposed.
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The facts were listed, if you want it in book binder form your going to have to go and do some of the work yourself. Contacting the NBI will confirm Pauls blacklisting for example. Trip down to the judge in moalboal will confirm the statements of Americano's wife's assault and warrant for Paul in process. Read through and contact those who are owed money to see if they got paid.

All the information is there at which point did it become a witch hunt as the discussion from the first topic to now has been in relation to Paul and the assault as well as the disappearance of peoples money. Because people stop to pause and discuss a specific thing at a given time because multiple people have bits of information it must be gossip? Better tell police to stop knocking doors when they do an investigation as obviously you know better.

Discussing if Jinky was with Paul led to being contacted about Jinky on the forum by her current boyfriend. This not only confirmed that she wasn't with Paul but also that she was underage when with Paul. The discussion regarding possible scamming was resolved between Ladman and the person who mentioned it. At the same time telling someone to be cautious due to the problems of scamming in the Philippines is good advice.
 
People staying on his forum or not is irrelevant to finding where he is for his warrant to be served or getting peoples money back (those owed money haven't come forward to say they were paid yet so it can be assumed its still outstanding).

Staying on LinC for a period of time before deciding to leave is also not relevant to what Paul has done over years until his current mess.
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Quote from: Mark on Yesterday at 07:43:33 PM
Quote from: lifeisgood on Yesterday at 06:55:00 PMMark, let me guess...  You saw this abusive behavior and still remained a member of linc for some time. 

You ask me if I am an apologist if I don't believe what is written by you guys.  I will ask you if you are a hypocrite since you seem to remain a member of linc until you saw fit only to leave and now shame others for staying.  This question is asked not just of you but of everyone who seems to feel the need to shame others for behavior they want to see.

Please read my reply to Art which answers your first point.

I don't believe I am shaming others for staying and supporting LinC - unless you interpret my words otherwise. Others may be expressing that however. You may be confused by my direct attack against some of its more zealous staff members who are actively stifling any criticisms of either LinC or its owner. So, hypocrisy? No, but if you want to see real hypocrisy, read Paul Petrea's writings on Filipinas and the need to show respect: what he writes and what he does are diametrically-opposed.


The please accept my apologies on the hypocrisy remarks. 

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Quote from: lifeisgood on Yesterday at 07:17:34 PM
Quote from: singers on Yesterday at 07:07:43 PM"still remained a member of linc for some time." ??

Not long as I recall it.

Tom

3 years is long to me. 

As I and others have said, this thread has turned into a witch hunt.   If people don't accept what is said they are apologists and should be ashamed of themselves.  Of course those same people watched it happen for years only to continue using the same forum the are trying to shame other members into leaving. 

Others may be thinking it is all facts and reality but they can't seem to figure out what is fact and what is merely opinion.

I understand there isn't anything like getting a new hobby to keep you busy.

I am at a slight loss of understanding your, above, comments.? My fault NO doubt...

But things do get glazed/glanced over by members of a forum who visit that forum to "glean" information and the others who avidly check every post do have more insight.? No doubt.

To blame anybody for staying? is utter intolerance as that person has other considerations in his/her life.?

So speaking for myself ONLY!!! 

I may have started to read a critical/controversial post and gotten BORED after a line or 2? and then moved on.?
However when a specific topic became "topical" = became (HOT) and "critical" and the DK featured the topic I did get interested and "DELETIONS" by the THICK/stupid/asswipe  LinC  Mods were the topic of many a PM to me.


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What an adverse avatar -  ??? "hypocrisy" IMHO


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Quote from: singers on Yesterday at 08:43:14 PM
I am at a slight loss of understanding your, above, comments.? My fault NO doubt...

But things do get glazed/glanced over by members of a forum who visit that forum to "glean" information and the others who avidly check every post do have more insight.? No doubt.

To blame anybody for staying? is utter intolerance as that person has other considerations in his/her life.?

So speaking for myself ONLY!!! 

I may have started to read a critical/controversial post and gotten BORED after a line or 2? and then moved on.?
However when a specific topic became "topical" = became (HOT) and "critical" and the DK featured the topic I did get interested and "DELETIONS" by the THICK/stupid/asswipe  LinC  Mods were the topic of many a PM to me.


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What an adverse avatar -  ??? "hypocrisy" IMHO


Tom

Sorry Tom.  My only comment to you was that Mark's statement that he saw abusive behavior 3 years ago and that is a long time to stay on the forum.

The other statements were in general and not targeted at you.

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Quote from: lifeisgood on Yesterday at 10:38:49 PM
Quote from: singers on Yesterday at 08:43:14 PMI am at a slight loss of understanding your, above, comments.? My fault NO doubt...
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Sorry Tom
The other statements were in general and not targeted at you.
* That 'il get the RR STIG foaming agin.?

Never any need 4 U to (bless Ya)  worry? what I think = "Sorry Tom".
An Target me anytime ya wish.! :)

It is a despicable state of affairs.

Allegations of Theft, Corruption and child abuse = Sex  with underage Filipina.
The thought causes me formication all over the largest organ in my body.

I posted on this forum my instant "reading" of the guy. NOT good initally and not changed over years.

Most ? allegations ARE NOT proven in a Court of Law.

BUT... ??

Tom
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