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Donations to specific projects are completely different to saying "I give all my forum income to a charity". As A. Nobody knows how much the forum is earning and B. there is never a charity mentioned by name, Only that its given to a charity. The problem with Paul is he tells lots of stories and different versions to different people. Why so many half truths and lies? Because they come from Paul in the first place people posting what they were told links multiple versions together to show its not fact or that there is truth from someone who seen it first hand.

Fact - Paul did assault JJ
Fact - Paul did get deported
Fact - Paul is blacklisted at immigration
Fact - Paul did assault Philip's wife.
Fact - Paul was involved with the legacy investments on a commission basis via a Filipino agent as he pushed David Whittle out of it and its why Davids wife became an agent herself (Heard it directly from David when I was at his house and trying to sell me a Legacy Policy).
Fact - Paul did get involved in a lending scheme and the only person who knows where the money went is Paul.
Fact - Jinky was underage when Paul was engaging in sexual activity with her (Confirmed by herself).

Being in Cambodia, Thailand, U.S. etc. is Paul himself spreading the rumours. You can only confirm things by having all the pieces of the jigsaw puzzle. Bruises on Vivian has also been confirmed by at least 2 people. There is a difference between gossip and people seeing the signs of abuse. Also talking about it openely allows people to come forward with other information.
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Quote from: lifeisgood on Yesterday at 11:36:26 AM
Quote from: Mark on Yesterday at 11:28:52 AM
Quote from: lifeisgood on Yesterday at 10:47:49 AMMatt, that is the whole problem with this thread and why it is hard to take any of this serious.

This thread is mainly opinions, theories and half truths.  This doesn't help your case but makes it look like a wacko conspiracy.
I'll stop you right there. You're a new member of this site and may not have read all the 590 or so messages this thread contains. Yes there's a certain amount of speculation but we - the Forum Staff - have tried to keep the topic focused on fact. And there's plenty of it, should you choose to read it.

That said, we try very hard to allow our members to have as much freedom to say what they wish to say as is legally permissible and having due regard to considerations of good taste etc. You are not permitted to post a message about this topic on LinC where there is a campaign of cover-up. Here there is transparency of a kind that use to be present on LinC but has been eroded by its over-zealous Staff to protect its beleaguered owner.

I have read the whole thread.

Facts are normally something that can be verified with proof.  I see a lot of stuff in this thread that people don't seem to be able to prove.

I would hardly say telling people they are bad because they don't do what you want and leave Linc as hardly a fact.  That is controlling behavior.

Why are my messages being moderated for content before posting?
You want facts? In addition to those posted above, I'll give you two examples of how abusive Petrea is towards Filipinas and both I personally witnessed.

The first is this: at a function that Ancienrocka organised on behalf of the then new owner of "Booze n Brews", some 3 years ago, Paul attended with his then girlfriend, Vivien. At one stage he told (not asked) Vivien to refill his drink and because it took her more than a few seconds to do this - she had to go to the bar to get it - he screamed at her when she returned and screamed at her again because there wasn't enough ice. He then complained to her that his food was cold - like it was her fault!

More recently, last September in fact, he came to Davao to serve divorce papers[1] on an unknowing wife married to an American - a service for which he charges a fat fee. I, along with a few other Davao-based Expats and our wives, met him for lunch after which he needed to get back to the airport to fly back to Cebu. Being a generous soul, I offered him a ride for the 20-something kilometers between the restaurant and the airport. Whilst we were traveling, he received a number of SMS messages from a very worried Jinky. What she was worried about I know not but it angered Petrea to the extent that he called her, called her some very rude names and ended by saying "don't f***ing text me again".

In addition to the facts Matt has posted, here's another for you:

FACT - Petrea attempted to kidnap his son from his estranged/divorced (American) ex-wife and drove some twenty miles or so at high speed with his ex-wife clinging on the hood.

Are you an apologist for this person?

I re-read the post in which don_masbate called on LinC members not to frequent that site. I took it as a suggestion on his part, albeit quite forcibly written. If I considered it to be "controlling" or "trolling", that post would not have been made visible unless and until its author rephrased any offending passages.

Finally, you are as I have already explained to you, a new member of this site and we, in common with many other Forums and indeed with LinC, require the first few posts any new member makes to be referred to a Staff member before being made publicly visible.
 1. Petrea claims he's a licensed Process Server for most, if not all, American States.
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Here's an example of how Paul treated Jinky.  I guess it was last September when Lee from Canada had a going away party at Our Place restaurant in Cebu City.  Lee was going back to Canada to work.  My wife, Lee's girlfriend and Jinky went to The Business Hotel, which was near by to reserve three rooms for us.  Paul got drunk and never went to the Hotel, he went back to his apartment in Carcar, which would have been fine if he was a normal person.  Since Paul didn't come to the hotel, Jinky slept in the hotel room with Lee and his girlfriend. The next morning Lee and his gf went to the airport so Jinky decided to go to Alaya Mall with Manilyn and me for lunch. We arrived at Ayala and went in KFC to eat when Paul called Jinky.  Jinky put her cell phone on speaker phone so Manilyn and I could here what he was saying.  Paul was saying a lot of curse words which I will not repeat.  Paul said to Jinky, I didn't tell you to eat, get on a bus right now.  It takes a bus one hour to get here so if you are not here in one hour you will not get your clothes or anything you have here in the apartment.  Paul didn't know Manilyn and I could hear him.  We told Jinky to eat first before she goes.  Jinky was so afraid and shaking that she only ate two or three bites. We told her that Paul will not change so you should leave him now.  And, we told her that if Paul refuses to open the door then go get your mother to come there with you.  She left while Manilyn and I stayed there to do some shopping.
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Quote from: Americano on Yesterday at 08:11:34 AMI don't want to see LinC fail or closed, but there's one problem.  All of the money generated by LinC goes directly to Paul.  Paul lives off his income from LinC and now he is running and hiding with that same money.  Therefore, if you contribute money to LinC or help it make money in any way then you are helping finance a man who is on the run from the law.  Helping to finance someone running from the law is considered aiding and abeding in some countries, which means that person could be charged and do jail time too.  If you want to help finance someone who is hiding from law enforcement then what does that say about you?

You don't help yourself do you Americano?  Many people who are neutral regarding Paul take offence at your comments and tend to see it as a personal "thing" between you and your wife and Paul.   Thats what I am moving toward because of your vexatious comments to the innocent, none of them have done you any harm or any wrong yet you malign so many good people because of your personal feelings about Paul.  I dont see any difference between you and Evan. 

Some years ago before I met Paul and before I heard these things about Paul I made a one time contribution to LinC because of the valuable information I got from reading there and I am a sponsor there because of that one time contribution.  There would be many like me who did that and who would be as offended by your comments as I am.   

Paul has always been good and helpful to me when I needed help, we both got scammed by Nick and lost money from him along with others.  The three times I met Paul socially his behavior was normal and I didnt notice him drunk or abusing women.  The one time we talked it was a friendly joking banter.   There was nothing I saw or noticed that gave me the impression he was a drunken, women abusive, lying thief.   I met many LinC members inluding Bob Ward and Mark I also did not get the impression when I met them they were lying, thieving women abusing criminals.   Hell Americano you were like best friends with Paul it seems until you had a falling out over the issue with your wife and Paul.  You know him intimately and yet you still mixed with him like lifeisgood has said, he was like your friend until some sort of quarrel between Manilyn and Paul you odious grave smelling hypocrite !

The only bad things Paul says about some of his exfriends are that they are backstabbing friends I havent heard anything worse except for Americano who he calls a liar as well not like all the muck raking invective I read here about Paul from some of you.  You make out he is worse than a child molesting axe murderer, so it becomes almost laughable when you say he swears at his girlfriend I have relatives who are like that, you can only shake your head at them.   He really got under a lot of skin here and I ask why?  There are more serious expat criminals here who do a lot of worse damage to people why not go after them too?

I also got disgusted with the evil scum who were maligning Jinky as a scammer with no proof or evidence just speculating, those people really disgust me and I hope she takes legal action against them.  It seems a good thing she is free of Petrea and his abuse and its her who should take legal action against him if she wants.

I did take shots at Paul on LinC about his behaviour and ran the risk of getting deleted or banned Paul did answer my questions publicly.  Wowowee also asked Paul about the investors money at the risk of being banned too and Paul gave him a public answer which really left the issue up to the investors to persue.  Its the investors who have the moral right to call the shots on that issue not the gossiping speculators.   I did publicly give Paul notice that if the scamming he is accused of come to be true I and my church group would shame him pubicly.   

Its Pauls forum he is the owner as he doesn't get tired of saying and its his income to do as he wishes its just stupid if he lies about where he spends it, if he kept it all he has that right if he lies about helping charities then that is disgraceful if he is doing that but no one knows for certain?   

The staff and Mods shut down the discussions about Paul because they said there were private forums where the investors could seek their answers and they said they wanted to keep the forum separate from Paul and his troubles as most of the members were not involved and the wisdom of that action good or bad does seem to bear fruit in that LinC has moved on and this forum is still lurching around in the mud of Pauls lies and transgressions.   Its not just Pauls reputation that is wearing mud.


Quoteyou either detest him or support him, I don't see any middle ground.

When I return there in a couple of weeks time I will hand the same file that I gave to the Cambodian authorities to Mar Roxas. I will list the names of his mods that support him, from Headshot to Alan S in England and Broden in the US.

Don_Masabate there is something wrong with you that you want to malign and prosecute innocent people because of an association directly or indirectly with Paul you are a sick man is your name Evan?


I'm a member of LinC for three reasons and I will stay a member for those reasons.   

1) It still has the best and most useful information of living in the Philippines both practical and tourist information for any person looking to travel and stay there.  Why would I deprive myself of useful intelligence.
2) I have a good laugh at many of the posts a lot of posters have a good sense of humor and its good to open a thread and read a funny comment unlike here where so many miserable people congregate to bitch about their favorite degenerate who seems to be more his own enemy than anyone else.
3) I can speak about God, the bible and Jesus and preach the gospel there not in the main forums but in the hidden forums where you can say whatever you want as long as you dont make death threats or attack non members.   I get treated with politeness there even by the Godless atheists.

Why are so many of Paul Petrea's accusers such dubious characters?  Jesus said let him who is without sin cast the first stone.  Lot of hypocritical stone throwers here.  Let the Philippine authorites deal with Mr Petrea its their country their laws as the bible says when you catch someone in a sin restore them and watch out for yourself.

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I am going to say this about that as people keep mentioning my name!

Flowers were very nice and there were two deliveries! I don't think that even Paul is that low!

Regarding people who are defending Paul, especially those who do not know him well, I say shame on you! The vast majority of the people who have lived here for longer periods of time fully well know that Paul is a person they would not want to be involved with. There are so many reasons, it's not worth listing them all. It actually boggles my mind how ignorant people can be!

Regarding the mods and admins of LinC and their actions, I can only say what I think to be true! Yes, speculation! Steve and Headshot are amongst my list of friends. Broden, although I have not met him in person, is still on my list of good people!

Paul needed money to bribe his way out of the country and I suspect that the ownership of LinC has been diversified or sold outright. The new proprietors are simply keeping Paul's manufactured persona alive in order to keep the revenues for LinC from drying up.

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Benefit of the doubt seems to stretch a long way in some camps  :)) maybe not a child killer with an axe but nearly his estranged wife after leaving her dangling outside of the car. But maybe Vivian bumps into things a lot and JJ just had an axe to grind as punching her in the face in a bar is acceptable behaviour for some she probably deserved it right? Maybe the 40+ people here that seen what Paul got upto are all making it up and the blacklist that is in place for Paul is the wrong Paul Petrea.

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Quote from: Americano on Yesterday at 12:53:34 PMHere's an example of how Paul treated Jinky.  I guess it was last September when Lee from Canada had a going away party at Our Place restaurant in Cebu City.  Lee was going back to Canada to work.  My wife, Lee's girlfriend and Jinky went to The Business Hotel, which was near by to reserve three rooms for us.  Paul got drunk and never went to the Hotel, he went back to his apartment in Carcar, which would have been fine if he was a normal person.  Since Paul didn't come to the hotel, Jinky slept in the hotel room with Lee and his girlfriend. The next morning Lee and his gf went to the airport so Jinky decided to go to Alaya Mall with Manilyn and me for lunch. We arrived at Ayala and went in KFC to eat when Paul called Jinky.  Jinky put her cell phone on speaker phone so Manilyn and I could here what he was saying.  Paul was saying a lot of curse words which I will not repeat.  Paul said to Jinky, I didn't tell you to eat, get on a bus right now.  It takes a bus one hour to get here so if you are not here in one hour you will not get your clothes or anything you have here in the apartment.  Paul didn't know Manilyn and I could hear him.  We told Jinky to eat first before she goes.  Jinky was so afraid and shaking that she only ate two or three bites. We told her that Paul will not change so you should leave him now.  And, we told her that if Paul refuses to open the door then go get your mother to come there with you.  She left while Manilyn and I stayed there to do some shopping.

So, this was in September. You saw what he was like and yet a few weeks later you & your soon to be wife were out drinking with him & the rest well most of it, we now know. So, how many signs & signals & proof did it take for YOU to see Paul for what he obviously is. 20/20 hindsight is a wonderful thing isn't it. Seems to me you were pretty loyal to Paul with a lot more evidence but ignored it, now though you are disgusted that others remain unconvinced with far less 'proof' than you had & didn't act on. Oh & before you turn your sights on me, I met Paul once & left LinC when I saw what was going on.
Some say his scrotum has its own small gravity field...

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Quote from: Art on Yesterday at 01:37:54 PM
Quote from: Americano on Yesterday at 08:11:34 AMI don't want to see LinC fail or closed, but there's one problem.  All of the money generated by LinC goes directly to Paul.  Paul lives off his income from LinC and now he is running and hiding with that same money.  Therefore, if you contribute money to LinC or help it make money in any way then you are helping finance a man who is on the run from the law.  Helping to finance someone running from the law is considered aiding and abeding in some countries, which means that person could be charged and do jail time too.  If you want to help finance someone who is hiding from law enforcement then what does that say about you?

You don't help yourself do you Americano?  Many people who are neutral regarding Paul take offence at your comments and tend to see it as a personal "thing" between you and your wife and Paul.   Thats what I am moving toward because of your vexatious comments to the innocent, none of them have done you any harm or any wrong yet you malign so many good people because of your personal feelings about Paul.  I dont see any difference between you and Evan. 

Some years ago before I met Paul and before I heard these things about Paul I made a one time contribution to LinC because of the valuable information I got from reading there and I am a sponsor there because of that one time contribution.  There would be many like me who did that and who would be as offended by your comments as I am.   

Paul has always been good and helpful to me when I needed help, we both got scammed by Nick and lost money from him along with others.  The three times I met Paul socially his behavior was normal and I didnt notice him drunk or abusing women.  The one time we talked it was a friendly joking banter.   There was nothing I saw or noticed that gave me the impression he was a drunken, women abusive, lying thief.   I met many LinC members inluding Bob Ward and Mark I also did not get the impression when I met them they were lying, thieving women abusing criminals.   Hell Americano you were like best friends with Paul it seems until you had a falling out over the issue with your wife and Paul.  You know him intimately and yet you still mixed with him like lifeisgood has said, he was like your friend until some sort of quarrel between Manilyn and Paul you odious grave smelling hypocrite !

The only bad things Paul says about some of his exfriends are that they are backstabbing friends I havent heard anything worse except for Americano who he calls a liar as well not like all the muck raking invective I read here about Paul from some of you.  You make out he is worse than a child molesting axe murderer, so it becomes almost laughable when you say he swears at his girlfriend I have relatives who are like that, you can only shake your head at them.   He really got under a lot of skin here and I ask why?  There are more serious expat criminals here who do a lot of worse damage to people why not go after them too?

I also got disgusted with the evil scum who were maligning Jinky as a scammer with no proof or evidence just speculating, those people really disgust me and I hope she takes legal action against them.  It seems a good thing she is free of Petrea and his abuse and its her who should take legal action against him if she wants.

I did take shots at Paul on LinC about his behaviour and ran the risk of getting deleted or banned Paul did answer my questions publicly.  Wowowee also asked Paul about the investors money at the risk of being banned too and Paul gave him a public answer which really left the issue up to the investors to persue.  Its the investors who have the moral right to call the shots on that issue not the gossiping speculators.   I did publicly give Paul notice that if the scamming he is accused of come to be true I and my church group would shame him pubicly.   

Its Pauls forum he is the owner as he doesn't get tired of saying and its his income to do as he wishes its just stupid if he lies about where he spends it, if he kept it all he has that right if he lies about helping charities then that is disgraceful if he is doing that but no one knows for certain?   

The staff and Mods shut down the discussions about Paul because they said there were private forums where the investors could seek their answers and they said they wanted to keep the forum separate from Paul and his troubles as most of the members were not involved and the wisdom of that action good or bad does seem to bear fruit in that LinC has moved on and this forum is still lurching around in the mud of Pauls lies and transgressions.   Its not just Pauls reputation that is wearing mud.


Quoteyou either detest him or support him, I don't see any middle ground.

When I return there in a couple of weeks time I will hand the same file that I gave to the Cambodian authorities to Mar Roxas. I will list the names of his mods that support him, from Headshot to Alan S in England and Broden in the US.

Don_Masabate there is something wrong with you that you want to malign and prosecute innocent people because of an association directly or indirectly with Paul you are a sick man is your name Evan?


I'm a member of LinC for three reasons and I will stay a member for those reasons.   

1) It still has the best and most useful information of living in the Philippines both practical and tourist information for any person looking to travel and stay there.  Why would I deprive myself of useful intelligence.
2) I have a good laugh at many of the posts a lot of posters have a good sense of humor and its good to open a thread and read a funny comment unlike here where so many miserable people congregate to bitch about their favorite degenerate who seems to be more his own enemy than anyone else.
3) I can speak about God, the bible and Jesus and preach the gospel there not in the main forums but in the hidden forums where you can say whatever you want as long as you dont make death threats or attack non members.   I get treated with politeness there even by the Godless atheists.

Why are so many of Paul Petrea's accusers such dubious characters?  Jesus said let him who is without sin cast the first stone.  Lot of hypocritical stone throwers here.  Let the Philippine authorites deal with Mr Petrea its their country their laws as the bible says when you catch someone in a sin restore them and watch out for yourself.

You just lost all credibility that I thought I had for you! I was posting my tidbit while this post was being spewed. You are clueless!

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Art,

How do you know "Many people who are neutral regarding Paul take offence at my comments"?   How many people can you name who are offended by my comments?  Maybe you are the one who sounds more like Evan making statements without any proof.  Where is the proof your statement is true? 

I lived very close to Paul and Jinky and I know them very well.  Where do you live, on the other side of the world?


Sting,

I knew that Paul would emotionally abuse his girlfriend but I didn't know his history of physically abusing women. And even more importantly, I didn't know he would physically abuse another man's woman.  How many men do you know who would do that?
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Quote from: Bob Ward on Yesterday at 02:01:37 PMYou just lost all credibility that I thought I had for you! I was posting my tidbit while this post was being spewed. You are clueless!

Yes I may be clueless but your comments along with others don't clear the mystery of why this long time friend of yours suddenly became public enemy number one?  You had a falling out with Paul then made a public reconciliation with him, then you fell out with him again?  Of course I am clueless when I see the behaviour of Pauls friends.  At least I am consistent in what I say and do.

I wrote many things what in particular did I write that convinced you of my cluelessness?   Perhaps you can improve your credibility with me?


Americano,  I don't think anyone is game enough to post on this thread their real thoughts however I will ask a few if they are willing to give their names and or say something here.   You are right I live far away and I'm not having the same experiences of Paul you lot are.  I don't drink, I dont smoke and I don't beat up women and I like to talk about spiritual things so I have nothing in common with Paul for us to be real friends. 

Your problem is you and others come across as having personal issues with Paul as well as him being an unworthy person and you certainly do have a personal issue so its obvious its a personal vendetta with you.  None of Paul's recent alleged victims have charged him with anything except Manilyn you seem to have him by the balls with all his crimes you know about but nothing is happening?   


 

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Quote from: Art on Yesterday at 02:46:44 PM
Quote from: Bob Ward on Yesterday at 02:01:37 PM You are clueless!

Yes I may be clueless but your comments along with others don't clear the mystery of why this long time friend of yours suddenly became public enemy number one?  You had a falling out with Paul then made a public reconciliation with him, then you fell out with him again?  Of course I am clueless when I see the behaviour of Pauls friends.  At least I am consistent in what I say and do.

I wrote many things what in particular did I write that convinced you of my cluelessness?   Perhaps you can improve your credibility with me?


Americano,  I don't think anyone is game enough to post on this thread their real thoughts however I will ask a few if they are willing to give their names and or say something here.   You are right I live far away and I'm not having the same experiences of Paul you lot are.  I don't drink, I dont smoke and I don't beat up women and I like to talk about spiritual things so I have nothing in common with Paul for us to be real friends. 

Your problem is you and others come across as having personal issues with Paul as well as him being an unworthy person and you certainly do have a personal issue so its obvious its a personal vendetta with you.  None of Paul's recent alleged victims have charged him with anything except Manilyn you seem to have him by the balls with all his crimes you know about but nothing is happening?   

"but nothing is happening:-\

As the alleged perp.? is on the run, a fugitive, and has not given himself up to answer the allegations when summoned to a RP Court of Law? then how can anything happen.?

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Quote from: Art on Yesterday at 02:46:44 PM
Quote from: Bob Ward on Yesterday at 02:01:37 PMYou just lost all credibility that I thought I had for you! I was posting my tidbit while this post was being spewed. You are clueless!

Yes I may be clueless but your comments along with others don't clear the mystery of why this long time friend of yours suddenly became public enemy number one?  You had a falling out with Paul then made a public reconciliation with him, then you fell out with him again?  Of course I am clueless when I see the behaviour of Pauls friends.  At least I am consistent in what I say and do.

I wrote many things what in particular did I write that convinced you of my cluelessness?   Perhaps you can improve your credibility with me?


Americano,  I don't think anyone is game enough to post on this thread their real thoughts however I will ask a few if they are willing to give their names and or say something here.   You are right I live far away and I'm not having the same experiences of Paul you lot are.  I don't drink, I dont smoke and I don't beat up women and I like to talk about spiritual things so I have nothing in common with Paul for us to be real friends. 

Your problem is you and others come across as having personal issues with Paul as well as him being an unworthy person and you certainly do have a personal issue so its obvious its a personal vendetta with you.  None of Paul's recent alleged victims have charged him with anything except Manilyn you seem to have him by the balls with all his crimes you know about but nothing is happening?   

The justice system is slow like a turtle but when it clamps down on his balls he will feel the pain and finally start paying for his crimes.

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Art, you are clueless because you met Paul only three times. Perhaps on some of his better days. I however have been around Paul on many many occasions where he was drunk to the point of being carried (took several), puking and or just plain beligerant.

On the vast majority of times I have been around Paul he has verbally abused and belittled his partner (many of them since he lost so many due to abuse) at the time to where  the majority of the attendees were shocked and appalled.

Why do you think that some of his previous close friends like Lee and Eric have come forth and admitted that he had serious abuse and alcohol issues. I applaud their efforts!

I, like may who knew him, kept trying to see the better part of him. But the vast majority of people who have been around him for enough time saw that he was just a pig trying to come off as a silk purse.

Some are afraid to come clean and tell what they know for fear that Paul has some secret power in the Philippines, but they are slowly coming out and telling their stories.

Look at the decent people who have left LinC in protest of Paul's transgressions! There are many if you know the history. Many others have not been around long enough to really know. They just flock like sheep when there is a skilled herder, much like you!

Alan S is an enigma to me! Decent guy, Paul must pay him! Not sure?

 

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Art,

I hope you can understand that there are people here who hold very strong views one way or the other and here members have the freedom to express them. I've known you for quite a long time on LinC and I am very pleased that you have also joined us here on LiPF and I have to say that you write good incisive material which I've always enjoyed reading.

I'd like to pick up on a couple of points in your lengthy post if I may.

Quote from: Art on Yesterday at 01:37:54 PMPaul has always been good and helpful to me when I needed help, we both got scammed by Nick and lost money from him along with others.
Yes, young Nick... Before I invested in his scheme I did ask Paul what he knew about Nick and for his opinion on what Nick claimed he was doing. As Paul seemed to know him quite well and vouched for him, I agreed to invest the remaining ₱10,000 Nick said he needed. As you know, it all went pear-shaped and within a few short weeks we all read his last few posts where he advertised most of his computer equipment. After a good few months, I raised the matter on the Forum and Paul undertook to go and see Nick and try to get our money back. I have no solid proof but I do believe Paul extracted his own investment but no more than that and he certainly didn't offer to share with the other 4 or 5 of us who also lost money.

QuoteThe three times I met Paul socially his behavior was normal and I didnt notice him drunk or abusing women.  The one time we talked it was a friendly joking banter.   There was nothing I saw or noticed that gave me the impression he was a drunken, women abusive, lying thief.
Unlike many of us who live here full time, you only caught the merest glimpse of his behaviour. One of the very first times I met him was on a boat trip organised by Bob Ward, an occasion neither Matt Wilkie or I are likely to forget in a hurry due to the disgusting and highly demeaning way that he treated Vivien in full view of everyone - a party that included wives and children.

QuoteI met many LinC members inluding Bob Ward and Mark I also did not get the impression when I met them they were lying, thieving women abusing criminals.
Perhaps you'd be good enough to rephrase that. I don't appreciate the inference there one little bit.

QuoteHell Americano you were like best friends with Paul it seems until you had a falling out over the issue with your wife and Paul.  You know him intimately and yet you still mixed with him like lifeisgood has said, he was like your friend until some sort of quarrel between Manilyn and Paul you odious grave smelling hypocrite !
Americano, like many of us, has a tolerance threshold and can overlook someone's antics and behavioural aspects for so long. But at some point one comes to the inevitable conclusion that enough is enough. Speaking personally, I knew all about Paul's past, his treatment of his first (American) wife, the beatings he gave JJ, the fact that he'd been jailed and deported and his involvement with Legacy. For me the breaking points came in quick succession and were his beating-up Manilyn, the way he swore at Jinky in my presence and the manner in which he treated the investors in his Payday Loans "business"[1]. And that's overlooking the time that he claimed he was in the US, he sent a text message late at night from one of his Philippine mobile phones asking if I was online followed by a Skype IM conversation in which he said he was on the Cebu-Cagayan ferry and asked if I have the phone number of a certain LinC member who lives in Davao.

QuoteThe only bad things Paul says about some of his exfriends are that they are backstabbing friends I havent heard anything worse except for Americano who he calls a liar as well not like all the muck raking invective I read here about Paul from some of you.
You've obviously not read what he - and his new-found friend Davaoeno - have written about me which amounts to a gross libel.

QuoteYou make out he is worse than a child molesting axe murderer, so it becomes almost laughable when you say he swears at his girlfriend I have relatives who are like that, you can only shake your head at them.
And you think that's acceptable behaviour - especially as he, you (when you visit :)), I and most everyone else here are guests in this country and can be deported if we disrespect a Filipino who's minded to report the fact to the Bureau of Immigration.

QuoteIts Pauls forum he is the owner as he doesn't get tired of saying and its his income to do as he wishes its just stupid if he lies about where he spends it, if he kept it all he has that right if he lies about helping charities then that is disgraceful if he is doing that but no one knows for certain?
Ask yourself this question, Art: if Paul donates his profits to charity then why isn't he prepared to tell his members which charities he supports and how much they have benefited year by year? He has been asked in the past.

 1. To lay the blame on someone who'd just died and to tell the investors to talk to his grieving partner when he had recruited all the investors and taken their money was lower than low

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Of course all of Paul's victims have not filed charges against him, they are too afraid of him.  If you haven't heard how he talks to them and beats them down then you don't understand.  A very large, loud mouth, Shrek type of a creature verbally beating down a small Asian girl.  You get the picture now?  How can they stand up to him?  Well they can't alone, they need help.  That's were we come in.  JJ's case never went to court because Paul left the country, so her case can still go forward now.  While Paul is in jail, her case can start up again.

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