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art why are you constantly nit picking at all the evidence against paul it seems to me and a few others that your best buddies with paul .the guy has lots of history going back a long time and here you are trying to pick holes in americanos story .his own friends are turning against him what does that tell you mate .but hey just carry on defending the indefensible your going to look very silly when the truth comes to the service .

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OK soon maybe
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Art, I gotta go with Tiger here! In the beginning your quest for the facts/truth were understandable. But after people repeatedly coming forth with real experiences with and about Paul, your continued defense (yes I now call it defense) just comes across as you being Paul's mouthpiece.

Since you brought up Vivian, let's explore that subject for now. I personally have a sweet spot for her. I have always like her and think she is a decent person. She's not the sharpest tool in the shed for taking Paul's abuse for so long, but she had few options and did what she could to get by.

Sure she forgave him, how many battered partners have you seen and heard do the same? It's part of the ugly sickness which is spouse abuse. Just like the close people to an alcoholic, they become an enabler. Do you think that she might have "forgiven" him for financial reason's as well? Just because she might have forgiven him, does that mean the crime is any less real?

You want facts, then stop ignoring them and being Paul's advocate!

There are many here, not going through the names, who have given first hand accounts that Paul abused her in many ways.

I personally know four people who are above reproach that saw the bruises on her neck on two separate occasions and Vivian admitted to them that Paul choked her.

I think you should seek "truth" on another subject. We have it on this one!

 

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To be fair with Art he is asking a few questions that from a distance people may question themselves. BUT at the same time people viewing things from knowing Paul "Know Paul".

I remember the first boat trip I went on with Bob and Paul on the way to the island Paul demanded Vivian to get changed into a Bikini on the boat in front of everyone behind a short towel. My wife wasn't happy about this not only because of the way Paul demanded she change but also that it was cold with a cross wind and its not normal for Filipino's to get changed in front of a boat load of people. This was followed by the glass jingling as Paul demanding Jack D for his glass with Vivian running up to fill it. Quickly afterwards Paul shaking the glass again saying "Darn it where's the ice".

Bit of space on the beach and able to keep a bit of distance, or maybe not while everyone sat in the beach hut Paul slipped his finger inside Vivian at the hut entrance (yes you know where!) before tasting his finger and laughing.

There were other things that day and I am sure Bob has other Boat adventures that put off other Expats from going on them again. Is this relevant to Paul's investments and beating antics? Investments no except for one of the people on the same trip at least were recruited into Legacy by Paul. But the way he treated Vivian is extremely relevant.
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There really are three sides to every story as is evident here.  Nobody wants to condemn an innocent man, but some of the anecdotal evidence seems to point in that direction.  Nonetheless, the lurid details might be better revealed in the DKC rather than in this open forum.  As we know, there are others willing to take anything out of context for their own purposes.

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Quote from: 'alibi' pid='3006' dateline='1331333533'I remember the first boat trip I went on with Bob and Paul on the way to the island Paul demanded Vivian to get changed into a Bikini on the boat in front of everyone behind a short towel. My wife wasn't happy about this not only because of the way Paul demanded she change but also that it was cold with a cross wind and its not normal for Filipino's to get changed in front of a boat load of people. This was followed by the glass jingling as Paul demanding Jack D for his glass with Vivian running up to fill it. Quickly afterwards Paul shaking the glass again saying "Darn it where's the ice".

Bit of space on the beach and able to keep a bit of distance, or maybe not while everyone sat in the beach hut Paul slipped his finger inside Vivian at the hut entrance (yes you know where!) before tasting his finger and laughing.

There were other things that day and I am sure Bob has other Boat adventures that put off other Expats from going on them again. Is this relevant to Paul's investments and beating antics? Investments no except for one of the people on the same trip at least were recruited into Legacy by Paul. But the way he treated Vivian is extremely relevant.

I was on that very same boat trip and can confirm your account as being what took place that day. Being a comparative newbie, I didn't know who he was at the time and dismissed him as an arrogant, chauvinistic red-necked American. My gf witnessed the "inappropriate move" and asked me if it was common for all foreigners to behave so badly in public.

I clearly remember a poker game over at ancienrocka's house where Paul consumed at least one bottle of JD. Vivian spoke with my gf and asked if we could help her get Paul home to which we agreed. Because Paul fell ill during the journey from Consolacion to Carcar, my gf asked me if Paul and Vivian could stay at our place in Lahug as Vivian was worried about Paul's health. Long story short, we managed to get Paul to bed in our spare room. Before she could retire, she had to wash his vomit-stained clothes and hang them to dry. We spoke with Vivian at length and discovered some nasty things about Paul including that he would hit her if she didn't obey him immediately. But she couldn't leave him because, as she said, "he can be sweet at times" (typical battered-wife syndrome).

The "glass rattling" routine is one of his favourites and he got quite irate if his gf of the day didn't immediately  refill it, or get it refilled: I have witnessed that on a number of occasions at various gatherings at "Booze and Brews", "Guiseppes", "Sandtrap" and "Mooon Cafe".

I have been told of similar stories but rather than repeat them, I've related events I have personally witnessed.


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« Last Edit: March 10, 2012, 07:26:57 AM by Markham »

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Quote from: 'tiger31' pid='2994' dateline='1331323273'
art why are you constantly nit picking at all the evidence against paul it seems to me and a few others that your best buddies with paul .the guy has lots of history going back a long time and here you are trying to pick holes in americanos story .his own friends are turning against him what does that tell you mate .but hey just carry on defending the indefensible your going to look very silly when the truth comes to the service .


How can I look silly when the truth comes to the service? I am looking for the truth.

Picking holes in Americano's story? Well for a fact there have been 5 statements made about Paul by 2 posters that when examined were less than truthful or totally false, 3 of them made by Americano and there is another pending statement where Americano said he could prove Pauls gf' real age I am still waiting on that.   So what am I to believe when I know for a fact the man is loose with the truth?

An advocate for Paul?  I am certain Paul would wish I would shut up!  I am looking for the truth and finding mistruths what would you do if you were a fair man?   You can rest assured I would do the same for all of you if you were accused of things.  I would look for the facts before I slipped the noose around your necks.

"it seems to me and a few others that your best buddies with paul"  
I took deep offence when some posters on this forum said anyone involved in LinC or still associated with Paul is just as guilty as him.   Some still are saying that.  I am nothing like Paul so I find the comments deeply offensive.  I'm not associated with Paul only as a member of LinC.  Paul has helped me and been good to me on LinC I have met him a few times in social gatherings thats the extent of my relationship with Paul.
   
I haven't found a lie by Paul doesnt mean he hasn't lied I just haven't uncovered one yet but I have 3, possibly 4 statements by Americano that are not truthful along with other false atatements, what am I to think?  Paul is guilty of everything because people fabricate information about him?  Isn't the truth sufficient to damn him it is for me if I can find it in the mass of opinions, hearsay and fabrications and other useless comments like Ilpi's post where he says that although he has never met Paul in person he KNOWS Paul can't fight !  The only way that statement could be proven is if Ilpi and Paul have a fight, then he can say he knows until then its just bravado.  

Quote from: 'Bob Ward' pid='3000' dateline='1331331434'
I think you should seek "truth" on another subject. We have it on this one!
 
Ok Bob, it wasn't me that brought the subject of Vivian up!
His unseemly behavior and treatment of women is disturbing but not enough for me to deport him or put him in Jail.  If I was his friend I would go for counseling him, get him to seek help on that, if I was his friend.  If he made a vicious attack then I would advocate deporting and jailing.

Bob you are the only person since I have known LinC that has consistently had the moral guts to publicly denounce Pauls behaviour.   So I know where you stand.  I think Markham too has been appalled by some things and possibly others.  I understand wanting to distance yourselves from Paul and starting afresh.  So we understand that a lot of people who know Paul see him as an unsavory person who acts unseemly toward women and mistreats them.  Pretty damning about his character I would say.  And anybody who insults or denigrates Paul gets your approval and praise. So how fair are you Bob or is the time for fairness gone?  You too made wrong statements about Paul and graciously recanted when challenged.  The pleasure some of you who were friends of Paul before seem to be experiencing now over Pauls destruction is a little bit disturbing to me.  There should be no delight over the destruction of a one time friend.  Only Norseman seems to be fair and impartial.   Maybe Alibi and Admin too.  

"But after people repeatedly coming forth with real experiences with and about Paul, your continued defense (yes I now call it defense) just comes across as you being Paul's mouthpiece."  
Yes its sad it seems that way in trying to untangle fact from opinion from fabrication, also from bullshit statements giving low blows.   What real experiences are we talking about Bob? Lee's post where we are still waiting for clarification from him on some questions?  On a superficial reading of Lee's post it seems damning of Paul but on further examination it appears to be suggesting deeper and different things than are revealed in the affidavits and public comments.  Lee's response to my questions is "Maybe"  things are not so clear cut anymore and maybe will remain murky.   It's a simple thing for Lee to clear up my questions and then we can move on to the hanging.  Why doesn't he?

These are my thoughts and inferences on the matter of Paul.
 
I believe Paul was blacklisted and found a way to circumvent immigration I cant prove it but there is possible corroboration.  
I dont care about those things.

I believe Paul abuses his gf's how much or everyone of them I dont know.  Enough that his friends have had enough of it.  Not enough to jail or deport him.  

I believe Paul intervened in an altercation with Americano and his wife and over did it. The reasons why he got involved need more telling.  

I believe the affidavits are loose on the truth.

I dont know if Paul embezzled money or misrepresented himself or his actions to obtain money falsely, not enough information. Someone knows the truth in this matter.

I believe the circumstantial and anecdotal evidence is damning of Paul.  Unseemly abusive behavior, Assault charges, missing money, missing Paul, dodgy status, all suggest Paul is finished at least in this current invention of his life.

In the rush to lynch Paul too many posters making outrageaous comments with no proof dont make for an edifying community especially if there is sufficient proof to convict him.  

Whether LinC survives or not it doesn't help throwing accusations of guilty by association to its members trying to manipulate them to leave will only end up damning the accusers and this forum, I can see an unhealthy rivalry arising that can ruin both forums.  
 





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art you are still making stupid comments how much more proof do you want about the money scam digiteye the biggest loser of the whole scam posted saying he has lost his money ,clearly you are not reading the posts .maybe you should get out your little paint pots and paint a portrait of your idol PP and hang it on your bedroom wall !!!! you are making a laughing stock of yourself but hey everyone to there own.It seems that no matter how many statements people make of there experiences of there encounters with paul you will stick up for him.

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No attacking other members pls.. he's entitled to his opinion and chooses to either sit on the fence or question either is fine. I am sure there is nothing new to add to this saga and I really dont want people digging into the treasure trove of the past as I think things have run its course. What happened with Americano and the others that night only the people involved know. The other things its a case of wait and see as Paul has to resurface at some point and will need to deal with the people left owed money to in the investments. Don't know how legally it stands as paperwork is always key to investment recovery and prosecution.

Although it has damaged Paul's creditability lets not forget as a foreigner he reflects on all of us and we should start to move forward with things in a positive light. If in future he does start another investment scheme this will always be on the web. But I doubt anything new will be uncovered in the near future and rather move away from speculation and simply let things go quiet.

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Art....
you should just back off from this IMO....
You are too close to this......

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Quote from: 'Art' pid='3132' dateline='1331366665'
I believe Paul abuses his gf's how much or everyone of them I dont know.  Enough that his friends have had enough of it. Not enough to jail or deport him.


The statement I've highlighted may be your opinion but it is simply is not true. There's a rather powerful statute on the books called the "Anti-Violence Against Women and Their Children Act of 2004", RA9262. Section 3(a) of that Act states:
Quote"Violence against women and their children" refers to any act or a series of acts committed by any person against a woman who is his wife, former wife, or against a woman with whom the person has or had a sexual or dating relationship, or with whom he has a common child, or against her child whether legitimate or illegitimate, within or without the family abode, which result in or is likely to result in physical, sexual, psychological harm or suffering, or economic abuse including threats of such acts, battery, assault, coercion, harassment or arbitrary deprivation of liberty.


That Act does not, however, cover the alleged assault on Manilyn, that is provided for in other Statutes. It does however apply where his various girlfriends are concerned since, within the terms of RA9262, he was in a "dating relationship" with them.


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I stand corrected Markham.

Quote from: 'tiger31' pid='3136' dateline='1331369334'
art you are still making stupid comments how much more proof do you want about the money scam digiteye the biggest loser of the whole scam posted saying he has lost his money ,clearly you are not reading the posts .maybe you should get out your little paint pots and paint a portrait of your idol PP and hang it on your bedroom wall !!!! you are making a laughing stock of yourself but hey everyone to there own.It seems that no matter how many statements people make of there experiences of there encounters with paul you will stick up for him.


Which other comments of mine are stupid so I can correct them?   I am not privy to any discussion on where the money is or who has it please enlighten me do you know for a fact who has the money?  Are there any factual statements I can read to inform myself of where the money has gone or who took it?  As far as I know the borrowers still have it has anything changed?

I am just being honest about what I know about the money being stolen which is nothing more than what Americano said.   If asking people for the truth makes me a lauging stock then there is something seriosly wrong with the members of this forum or is it only you that is laughing?   From what I recall digiteye asked some legitimate questions about his money and was given no answers only directed to a hidden forum for investors that I cant read and that post has been deleted Maybe digiteye has some information now he can share?

I wish you and others would be more careful with the facts what exactly about Paul am I sticking up for?  I am analysing the information and because I am more cautious with the truth you want to malign me.  How does attacking me forward the uncovering of truth?  It seems to me that some people have a vested interest in suppressing the truth.  In what way am I idolising Paul just because I want proof about the accusations.    

Ilpi what should I back off from, asking people to be honest?  How am I too close to this and what is this that I am too close to?  I dont have any money invested.  I'm not a drinker or a womaniser nor do I approve of those behaviors.   I dont have any friends, Paul is not my friend, Prove to me Paul is a thief and liar and I will shaft him too.  Saying he is, is not proof.   I just want the truth and when I see nonsense and bullshit and lies when there is no need I get disgusted.   I dont see fairness or real justice or real inquiry as to what is true I see naked bias and prejudice and ignorance and a cover up on some things.  

There is something rotten in the state of LinC but the smell has made its way over here why is that?  

Why aren't some of you disgusted with the false accusations I uncovered and the false statements made by Americano?   I guess it must be an expat thing.


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Art,

I have been respectful to you, but I'm getting tired of you saying I made false statements and saying I haven't proved things to you. Well maybe no one can prove anything to you, you have to prove it to yourself. I told you how you can prove Paul is blacklisted. Did you make the call?

Now I will tell you how you can prove to yourself that Paul's girlfriend is underage. J A went to Manjuyod National High School. She graduated in the Class of 2010 with a 87 grade average. The office phone number is +63-035-404-1254. One of the school employees will give you her date of birth or verify that it is April 20, 1994. Students are required to submit their Birth Certificate when they start High School and the school maintains a student record for each student.

Since she is a minor maybe I shouldn't say her name her but I will give it to anyone who needs it by PM.

Was there any more false statements I made?


Today I found something that may be interesting to Paul's investors. After Bill's death, Paul said he didn't have anything to do with the money lending business. Most people who know Paul knew that wasn't true.

Look what Paul said on his Facebook:
self employed
Money Lender
Payday Loan Service

Sounds like Paul was the owner.

And, just as interesting is what Paul said about investors loosing money.

About Paul: Im a professional expat residing in CarCar,Cebu mainly doing personal loans to students and workers nearby. I have also done professional investments for Legacy previously until it collapsed. I am not sorry for anyone who has lost money in my ventures as I can only stay here on the money I saved from your investments.

Paul is not sorry if you lost your money. That's his own words.

Before Art accuses me of making another false statement I better put a link to Paul's Facebook page.

http://www.facebook.com/#!/profile.php?id=100003462224701

« Last Edit: March 10, 2012, 11:27:17 AM by Americano »

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Quote from: 'Art' pid='3132' dateline='1331366665'I believe Paul abuses his gf's how much or everyone of them I dont know.  Enough that his friends have had enough of it. Not enough to jail or deport him.



As an FYI here too. I believe Paul is also guilty of Unjust Vexation on any number of outstanding allegations

QuoteSECTION 2. Defining the Crime of Unjust Vexation - A new Article 287-A
defining the crime of Unjust Vexation and providing for its penalty shall be included in
Act No. 3815 otherwise known as the Revised Penal Code, which read as follows:

Article. 287-A. Unjust Vexation - Any person who commits a course of
conduct directed at a specific person that causes substantial emotional
distress in such a person and serves no legitimate purpose shall suffer the
penalty of arresto mayor in its minimum period
or a fine ranging [ram 500
pesos to 5000 pesos, or both.

Arresto Mayor is defined as

QuoteTABLE OF PENALTIES. 1. ARRESTO MAYOR - 1 month and 1 day to 6 months. Minimum : 1 month and 1 day to 2 months. Medium

So Art, still think not enough to jail him?
« Last Edit: March 10, 2012, 11:40:53 AM by The Stig »
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Quote from: 'Americano' pid='3154' dateline='1331377891'
Before Art accuses me of making another false statement I better put a link to Paul's Facebook page.

http://www.facebook.com/#!/profile.php?id=100003462224701


Posting that page isn't exactly doing your credibility any favors...

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