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RE: The other forum........
« Reply #360 on: March 7, 2012, 05:25:21 AM »
It gives me no pleasure to say this Americano but so far you have used two untrue statements to support your allegations about Paul, the comment in your post #15 about Paul banning people in Bob Ward's thread in LinC and the comment in the other thread about Paul threatening to kill someone that wasnt true to support your allegations thats his style to threaten to kill people.  Can you see in my mind you are losing credibility in the possible, but i'm not convinced yet, true allegations you may and have made?  That's three untruths made against Paul I have come across and possibly a fourth and damning untruth by the accusers of Paul.  

Some people in their eagerness to convict Paul are loose with the truth which puzzles me and brings out my suspicious side.    I want to dig deeper I'm not excusing Paul its just that a man should die for his own sins not for fabricated ones.   If he is such a bad guy why the need for fabrication by some posters?


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Did the girl he choked say Paul choked her or is it hearsay?  Is there any evidence that Paul did read peoples PM's through the data systems or is it just conjecture?  Having the possibility of reading PMs is not the same as he did read them?   All I see is the consistent rhetoric Paul is some alcoholic sleaze bag not enough to convince me of the other accusations. And in fact because of these untrue allegations about Paul makes me doubt some peoples motives and accusations on other matters.

Like wowwowwee I am wondering what really happened that night.

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RE: The other forum........
« Reply #362 on: March 7, 2012, 06:27:44 AM »
Quote from: 'Americano' pid='2526' dateline='1331094864'
Art,

I will give you an example of Paul censoring the truth and LinC members are not even aware he is doing it.

Up until October of last year I was a very active poster on LinC. In October there was an incident involving Paul which I had knowledge of, I found out his girlfriend was under age, and I found out he is Blacklisted and in the Philippines illegally. Since the incident involved my fiancee Paul was afraid I would start telling the truth about his criminal activities on LinC. He didn't put Banned across my name because people would be asking him why I was banned. He just used one of his many Admin options which allowed me to log in to LinC but I couldn't post. At first I could post with approval, but after the first post I made it was change to no posting at all. No one on LinC knew I was being censored and no one knew I was banned or blocked from posting. And, then he changed it so I can't log in at all. Everyone just assumed that I stopped posting for some reason. Did you ever see Banned across my name? How many other people have Paul done this to?  No one knows except Paul. He will not let the truth about him be told on LinC. Paul has a criminal assault case filed against him, his girlfriend is 17 years old, born April 20, 1994, and he has been Blacklisted since 2006 and living in the Philippines illegally. These things and others is why he went into hiding.

You are starting to doubt my integrity, Paul's integrity is the one who many are doubting not mine. I can prove everything I have said against Paul but he won't face the accusations and charges against him because they are true.


Well I can tell you, Paul has done exactly the same with me and probably with others too. Neither you nor I broke any LinC rules which would merit a ban, but he abused his power as the LinC owner to settle private scores.

I know that a growing number of LinC stalwarts - those in long term stable relationships who've helped many others through their postings over the years - are upset and angered by being identified and libellously maligned on Evan Iliades' various blogs simply because they were regular posting members. As I am one of those named - as well as several of my friends - I am disgusted by this. But who to blame - Paul or Evan?

Art does, however, make a very valid point. Posting half-truths or "Chinese Whispers" by anyone simply to damn the guy isn't helpful and lessens the impact of those with verifiable facts. For example, I have no personal knowledge of Paul physically abusing women but I have witnessed him verbally-abusing them on a number of occasions, so when I'm told by people I know well and trust that Paul harms women, I'm pretty much persuaded that's the case. So let's keep to the facts here please folks.



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RE: The other forum........
« Reply #363 on: March 7, 2012, 06:34:55 AM »
Quote from: 'Markham' pid='2544' dateline='1331101664'
But who to blame - Paul or Evan?


Does the truth and accuracy of the charge have any bearing on where you place the blame?  I understand the desire to clear out when the smears get as ugly and personal as they have, but aren't you just being an enabler when you reward that kind of reprehensible behavior (a lot worse than the charges he's leveling, IMO)?

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RE: The other forum........
« Reply #364 on: March 7, 2012, 06:37:59 AM »
Quote from: 'Art' pid='2535' dateline='1331097921'
It gives me no pleasure to say this Americano but so far you have used two untrue statements to support your allegations about Paul, the comment in your post #15 about Paul banning people in Bob Ward's thread in LinC and the comment in the other thread about Paul threatening to kill someone that wasnt true to support your allegations thats his style to threaten to kill people.  Can you see in my mind you are losing credibility in the possible, but i'm not convinced yet, true allegations you may and have made?  That's three untruths made against Paul I have come across and possibly a fourth and damning untruth by the accusers of Paul.  

Some people in their eagerness to convict Paul are loose with the truth which puzzles me and brings out my suspicious side.    I want to dig deeper I'm not excusing Paul its just that a man should die for his own sins not for fabricated ones.   If he is such a bad guy why the need for fabrication by some posters?




Art,

As a matter of fact, Bob Ward was chatting with me on Skype when he posted his "resignation" thread and gave me a link to it. He and I both monitored the thread for a while and several less than complimentary (to Paul and LinC) replies were made. That thread suddenly became hidden for a few minutes and when it re-appeared, several replies were missing. That is fact. Whether Paul, or another Admin, banned anyone I don't know, but it is entirely possible that he has revoked their posting rights - just as he has done with me and others. If you check any of my posts there, you'll see that I'm now a "New Member" (with over 2400 posts!) but my name is not struck-out nor does the word "Banned" appear under it. That action is "banning" by stealth.


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RE: The other forum........
« Reply #365 on: March 7, 2012, 06:57:33 AM »
Art,

I explain how people can be banned on LinC and the other members don't know they are banned. In my case they could see I was logged in but I couldn't post, so how do you know Paul is not still doing that to other members?

Of course Paul has said he should have killed his wife in Geogia and he almost did by trying to sling her off of the car at 90 per hour. And, there are several witnesses who have heard Paul say he would kill Steve or pay someone to kill him.

If you want to dig deeper as you said then call Immigration and ask Mr. Ugarte if he knows anything about Woody Paul Petrea Sr. Here's his phone number: (+63) 032-345-6442 Ext. 4

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RE: The other forum........
« Reply #366 on: March 7, 2012, 07:14:50 AM »
Quote from: 'Americano' pid='2548' dateline='1331103453'

If you want to dig deeper as you said then call Immigration and ask Mr. Ugarte if he knows anything about Woody Paul Petrea Sr. Here's his phone number: (+63) 032-345-6442 Ext. 4


I think this is an example of Philippines logic - to test this then "If you want to dig deeper as you said then call Immigration and ask Mr. Ugarte if he knows anything about Woody Paul Petrea . Here's his phone number: (+63) 032-345-6442 Ext. 4

the 2nd one - no Sr - is the version on what is reputed to be shown as Paul's current passport.
My question for you - if he was beating your wife for an hour - as she says in her Affidavit - then as you were there and others were nearby - did you not stop him ?

Edited to ad - I am quoting from this Blog :
http://paulpetrea.blog.com/
« Last Edit: March 7, 2012, 07:35:25 AM by mikejwoodnz »
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RE: The other forum........
« Reply #367 on: March 7, 2012, 07:30:57 AM »
Quote from: 'Experienced' pid='2546' dateline='1331102095'
Quote from: 'Markham' pid='2544' dateline='1331101664'
But who to blame - Paul or Evan?


Does the truth and accuracy of the charge have any bearing on where you place the blame?  I understand the desire to clear out when the smears get as ugly and personal as they have, but aren't you just being an enabler when you reward that kind of reprehensible behavior (a lot worse than the charges he's leveling, IMO)?


To which charge do you refer? If you're talking about the assault on Americano's then fiancée (now wife), I have read the various Affidavits in support of her case and have confirmed their authenticity through contacts in Cebu City.  But my general point is that good, morally-upstanding members (and former members) of LivingInCebuForums have been publicly named - accused, even - as being supporters of Paul and his questionable practices merely because they were regular posters and thus highly visible.

Please bear in mind that Evan Iliades, the author of the various anti-Paul, anti-LinC blogs - was a LiPF member ("lamoya") who is now permanently banned for making personal attacks against other members and for trolling. (That ban has, incidentally, been repaid by the posting of a number of scurrilous accusations made against both this Forum and its staff on those blogs.) I mention that fact merely to point out that LiPF itself is not taking any sides but acts as a vehicle for promoting the truth.



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RE: The other forum........
« Reply #368 on: March 7, 2012, 07:42:38 AM »
Quote from: 'Markham' pid='2552' dateline='1331105457'
Quote from: 'Experienced' pid='2546' dateline='1331102095'
Quote from: 'Markham' pid='2544' dateline='1331101664'
But who to blame - Paul or Evan?


Does the truth and accuracy of the charge have any bearing on where you place the blame?  I understand the desire to clear out when the smears get as ugly and personal as they have, but aren't you just being an enabler when you reward that kind of reprehensible behavior (a lot worse than the charges he's leveling, IMO)?

To which charge do you refer?


I was talking about the Guilt by Association directed at those who post on LinC... those who left because they didn't want to be falsely associated with that stigma. THEY KNOW it isn't true (at least in their own cases)... so why would they assume it is true for anyone else and go along with the smears and put-downs directed toward that community that seem to appear pretty regularly here (the one LinC member I know of who unabashedly embraces that lifestyle is also a member of this forum - not bashing anyone here, I always enjoy his observations).


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RE: The other forum........
« Reply #369 on: March 7, 2012, 08:14:19 AM »
Ok just so everyone knows.  The Bob Ward thread on the other side I deleted out the posts.  (hide them do not have moderating ability in that forum) I did it.  As for bans if any were issued it was unrelated to anything discussed here.  The posts that were removed were unrelated to the topic and attack mode.  Steve then saw the que of posts that I just hid.  Steve then went through them and deleted them.  Bans there were none issued that day or day to follow.  Today I do not know.

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Wowwowee and Art,

All of your questions will be answered in court. Just be patient.

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RE: The other forum........
« Reply #371 on: March 7, 2012, 08:34:19 AM »
Quote from: 'Experienced' pid='2553' dateline='1331106158'
Quote from: 'Markham' pid='2552' dateline='1331105457'
Quote from: 'Experienced' pid='2546' dateline='1331102095'
Quote from: 'Markham' pid='2544' dateline='1331101664'
But who to blame - Paul or Evan?


Does the truth and accuracy of the charge have any bearing on where you place the blame?  I understand the desire to clear out when the smears get as ugly and personal as they have, but aren't you just being an enabler when you reward that kind of reprehensible behavior (a lot worse than the charges he's leveling, IMO)?

To which charge do you refer?


I was talking about the Guilt by Association directed at those who post on LinC... those who left because they didn't want to be falsely associated with that stigma. THEY KNOW it isn't true (at least in their own cases)... so why would they assume it is true for anyone else and go along with the smears and put-downs directed toward that community that seem to appear pretty regularly here (the one LinC member I know of who unabashedly embraces that lifestyle is also a member of this forum - not bashing anyone here, I always enjoy his observations).




I know exactly who you're referring to and that member is not free to either promote his chosen lifestyle or to post critical remarks about others as he was wont to do elsewhere. But on the other hand, he does post some good stuff in a witty and readable style and those messages are welcomed.



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RE: The other forum........
« Reply #372 on: March 7, 2012, 08:41:48 AM »
Tim,
Do you know if Easyrider was even listed as Banned?  And, I never saw the word Banned under my name, is it there now?

What I'm getting at can the Admin do things that even the Mods are not aware of?
« Last Edit: March 7, 2012, 08:43:21 AM by Americano »

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RE: The other forum........
« Reply #373 on: March 7, 2012, 08:53:35 AM »
I have certain things assigned to my name that I can do.  Additionally so do Admins.  They can only accomplish tasks that the owner says they can accomplish.  Admins and Owners can do things behind the scenes of the forum that only people with a certain privilege level can see.  

As for your profile it has been removed or hidden. (Easyrider). Does not mean they did anything after a certain number of inactive days it becomes inactive. That switch ca be set different for different categories. Also who can view them.

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RE: The other forum........
« Reply #374 on: March 7, 2012, 10:34:34 AM »
First post here having been invited to inspect by Mark and Bob. I hadn't been posting on LIC for several months so I missed all the fun.

I was banned several years ago by PP for setting out charges against him from my personal knowledge and what has been revealed recently fits the profile. One assumes that some people who post don't know him very well, perhaps they don't live here, but many of those that do know about his abuse of local women. One was a friend of my SO who he tried to strangle. In front of children on a boat trip, sticking his fingers up his female guest's vagina and smelling and licking his fingers. Hitting a girl in Lonestar and being thrown out. Yup, he's a great family man.

Anyway, I guess enough has been said and I hope he is caught soon and deported for good. While I can understand that people wish to maintain the other site, as I am sure would be the case if the internet was around in Charlie Manson's day, personally I hope the authorities close it. There is nothing there that cannot be recreated in time on any site, indeed, there has been nothing new there for several years, other than bored men chatting with each other. Nothing wrong with that of course but let's face it, LIC is a busted flush.

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