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RE: Looking for Paul Petrea In Cebu
« Reply #225 on: February 29, 2012, 05:30:58 PM »
Agree totally, here its because of poor people abroad its because drug users.

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RE: Looking for Paul Petrea In Cebu
« Reply #226 on: February 29, 2012, 09:27:04 PM »
Can we keep off the random posting please, the thread is long enough already. Any new developments should be fact based or will be deleted.
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Fact- Paul is still mia

Fact- some investors are really pissed that the spread Sh$t was published

Fact - Zsolt supplied the spread sheet to Evan

Fact- the biggest investors are Zsolt, Locktite and Mo

Fact- when someone who holds himself out as being an on the ground expert and one of the people who you can really trust and then uses that trust to rip you off it doesnt matter if its $10,000 usd or 10,000 pesos - you still got flipped by someone who was supposedly above that

Fact- when the person who abused your trust then disappears with a host of bs excuses rather than to deal in a straightforward manner with the accusations it is seem by many as the actions of a guilty man

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Quote from: 'Jinx' pid='1689' dateline='1330497775'


Happiness why is it your comments are never relevant to the discussion? Oh some lost only P10,000 according to a blog, which blog? You on about the evil Evan short on medication again?

Take a good look at it as its out of date for a start and not by a small amount. Also as others have said since it appears you haven't bothered to read all the threads that there are other people that haven't been listed. Only thoughts on this for me is that Paul has stolen they're money outright and pocketed it. Judging by the woman beating antics, legacy and the demise of the lending venture with his quickly followed sharp exit. Everything seems to point to being very typical of Paul.

Lets keep things on topic here as hey P10,000 isn't a lot for me either yet I bet you came over from Living In Cebu just to have a bit of a stir and over there someone was complaining his garden hose got stolen, joke with that being its probably his wife who gave it to a friend or family! :D


Pardon? My post is relevant because when you read this post as a newcomer you get the impression that huge numbers of people have been milked of millions.  Then you see that over 90% of investors put in 10k, and from what I understand most of them got their money back.
Excuse me, but let's keep a sense of proportion here. The whole post was descending into a vigilant squad whipping themselves into a state of outright indignatiom

"never relevant" This is my third post in this forum and will probably be my last. I have no wish to discuss anything with fools like you.

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Quote from: 'Markham' pid='526' dateline='1329550961'
Paul runs LinC as if it were his personal fiefdom with the concept of "freedom of speech" being what he determines it to be on any given day. He would - and does - argue that as he pays all the bills, he has the right to make the rules forgetting, of course, that a discussion site such as LinC is much more than a server, some software and a few rules. It is its members who make, or break, the site; without their continued participation, the site is nothing, worthless.

Paul is very defensive about his money-making activities - and those of his friends - and that, to an extent, is understandable. However it is he who openly solicited for investors in this payroll loan scheme and banked on his reputation as the site owner as some form of guarantee that the scheme was legitimate and solid. After all, if you're a new LinC member and you see a scheme promoted by the site owner, you might have more confidence in that scheme than if it were promoted by someone else.

From all accounts, Paul was very much the "front man" in this operation. It is he who solicited the investments, he who received their investment monies and it is he who kept in touch with investors and reporting back to them using, I believe, a private Forum on LinC. What I find unforgivable is, when Bill died, Paul clammed-up and told investors to contact Bill's girlfriend for information about their investments. To place that pressure on a young woman grieving her partner's death was thoughtless and completely unnecessary.

Whether Paul is guilty of any wrongdoing I know not. But there are rumours flying around that a considerable sum of money has disappeared believed variously to be between two and six million Pesos. If funds have gone missing, where are they and who is responsible? My own view is that this is a matter the Police or NBI should investigate and if anyone has been found to have acted improperly or illegally they should be prosecuted.

This is not the first time LinC has been embroiled in financial scandals. There's a well-known member there who promoted Legacy/Rural Banks "get-rich-quick" deposits and who received a good rate of commission on each investment he secured. When that house of cards collapsed, that member declined to assist in any way those members whom he had signed-up and started promoting V8 Motorcycles (another Ponzi scheme) but that collapsed very quickly. And then there's the member who sought backers for a series of E-Books (on the Cebuano language) he intended to market. He embezzled the monies he received and never produced even one E-Book. Both these members are friends of Paul's.




Quote from: 'Jinx' pid='1791' dateline='1330536658'
Agree totally, here its because of poor people abroad its because drug users.


Quote from: 'Happiness' pid='1913' dateline='1330652310'
Quote from: 'Jinx' pid='1689' dateline='1330497775'


Happiness why is it your comments are never relevant to the discussion? Oh some lost only P10,000 according to a blog, which blog? You on about the evil Evan short on medication again?

Take a good look at it as its out of date for a start and not by a small amount. Also as others have said since it appears you haven't bothered to read all the threads that there are other people that haven't been listed. Only thoughts on this for me is that Paul has stolen they're money outright and pocketed it. Judging by the woman beating antics, legacy and the demise of the lending venture with his quickly followed sharp exit. Everything seems to point to being very typical of Paul.

Lets keep things on topic here as hey P10,000 isn't a lot for me either yet I bet you came over from Living In Cebu just to have a bit of a stir and over there someone was complaining his garden hose got stolen, joke with that being its probably his wife who gave it to a friend or family! :D


Pardon? My post is relevant because when you read this post as a newcomer you get the impression that huge numbers of people have been milked of millions.  Then you see that over 90% of investors put in 10k, and from what I understand most of them got their money back.
Excuse me, but let's keep a sense of proportion here. The whole post was descending into a vigilant squad whipping themselves into a state of outright indignatiom

"never relevant" This is my third post in this forum and will probably be my last. I have no wish to discuss anything with fools like you.


Come on Happiness, stay happy :D beside its only one poster complaining so stay with us and post some more. Besides this thread is making everyone a bit sassy and perhaps that's good, well maybe!:P

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I don't suffer fools gladly either, but a differing opinion is no basis for calling someone a fool.

Perverts and sex tourists, however, are an entirely different matter.

I do hope you will stay on and continue to contribute... Happiness.

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Quote from: 'Happiness' pid='1913' dateline='1330652310'
Quote from: 'Jinx' pid='1689' dateline='1330497775'


Happiness why is it your comments are never relevant to the discussion? Oh some lost only P10,000 according to a blog, which blog? You on about the evil Evan short on medication again?

Take a good look at it as its out of date for a start and not by a small amount. Also as others have said since it appears you haven't bothered to read all the threads that there are other people that haven't been listed. Only thoughts on this for me is that Paul has stolen they're money outright and pocketed it. Judging by the woman beating antics, legacy and the demise of the lending venture with his quickly followed sharp exit. Everything seems to point to being very typical of Paul.

Lets keep things on topic here as hey P10,000 isn't a lot for me either yet I bet you came over from Living In Cebu just to have a bit of a stir and over there someone was complaining his garden hose got stolen, joke with that being its probably his wife who gave it to a friend or family! :D


Pardon? My post is relevant because when you read this post as a newcomer you get the impression that huge numbers of people have been milked of millions.  Then you see that over 90% of investors put in 10k, and from what I understand most of them got their money back.
Excuse me, but let's keep a sense of proportion here. The whole post was descending into a vigilant squad whipping themselves into a state of outright indignatiom

"never relevant" This is my third post in this forum and will probably be my last. I have no wish to discuss anything with fools like you.



There is discussion that the list isn't conclusive :huh: there are others who invested that haven't been listed at all or received their money back. Millions? how would you know same as the majority of people here as someone has said already there has been 3 people named as large investors but even so how much are they owed? How many others? Most got their money back according to who? Have you gone down the list you have contacting everyone to confirm they received all the money back? Have you spoken to Paul about other people who weren't on the list and confirmed they were also paid?

There is no vigilante rage here only an open discussion on the topic of Paul's defunct lending business he claims he was never part of and only introduced people to and his woman beating exploits.

The other side of this being discussing this on Paul's forum has seen people banned and posts deleted. Its also why people have constantly said keep it to the facts. They aren't after running up the hill after Frankenstein's monster but a debate on what happened to peoples money. What then happened was the introduction of the wife beating issues because of outstanding court cases which as a character reference says a lot about Paul.

Apologies if you can't take a joke, your quick enough to dismiss other people's P10,000 yet when its turned back on you as its only a garden hose you want to go home. :huh:

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Moving away from it before it even starts, skip any personal attacks otherwise people are looking at bans, you both have your points.

Here is the strange thing as Paul emailed me the other day regarding god knows what as I have tried to keep out of this topic as much as possible. I have however put facts as they became relevant to what other people are requesting assistance for. I don't think anyone here came for a witch hunt. Most people are irritated by the antics of Paul but I can't see a vigilante frenzy anywhere, just people that have been duped and then they have had their voices silenced after asking questions people don't want to answer on LinC.

I spoke to Paul last year at some point regarding Evan for example and asked why it is Evan had it in for him so much. Response? nothing, funny enough same came from Evan when I asked him what the connection between the two of them is. It does seem there is more to the past than we know but like I said we aren't digging! But at the same time if someone had a vendetta against me the way Evan has against Paul there is something that started it all.

I have been here on and off since 2007, I seen the Legacy stuff go through and how it connected both Paul and David Whittle due to having a local agent. There was some development that seen David lose the use of the agent and this is when he put his wife forward for it but you would have to talk to people then what happened to the money. Personally I seen the Legacy like all ponzi's good for a certain amount of time like a pyramid scheme its about getting in early. I didn't invest and I would discuss why on an open forum, but when it collapsed was the most interesting.

How much stuff can you read about the Legacy investments? Remembering that the yahoo groups were very active back then? Where are the posts that went via Paul and David and the disgruntled people that lost money? (not sure if people recovered they're loses or not afterwards as I know many who kept the pressure on did). My point is though this was a big financial scandal with lots of people involved and Paul as well as David were recruiting people into it. There were 10% commissions for the agent which in reality was P25,000 per investment.

The relevance being that this stuff gets wiped from the internet, people who lost money, people who trusted others (bad choices), but most importantly people walked away and BOTH then got other people to invest in new ventures Paul with his lending and David with his motorbike V4 if I remember right? Want to talk about millions being lost add Legacy and the other two ventures together your talking Billions. Nope not solely responsible for the total loses but I do believe in all cases people weren't warned of the high risks, may get told otherwise but from what I read and heard myself it was all about how much you make and not the risks.

This is why money isn't relevant in amounts because its to make people aware of others that sell things they have little experience in. Later on when it collapses you here the sob stories of I am not a financial adviser etc. etc.

Well I for one would rather know about peoples past histories especially when they work so hard to hide them.
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Quote from: 'alibi' pid='1944' dateline='1330668251'
Moving away from it before it even starts, skip any personal attacks otherwise people are looking at bans, you both have your points.

Here is the strange thing as Paul emailed me the other day regarding god knows what as I have tried to keep out of this topic as much as possible. I have however put facts as they became relevant to what other people are requesting assistance for. I don't think anyone here came for a witch hunt. Most people are irritated by the antics of Paul but I can't see a vigilante frenzy anywhere, just people that have been duped and then they have had their voices silenced after asking questions people don't want to answer on LinC.

I spoke to Paul last year at some point regarding Evan for example and asked why it is Evan had it in for him so much. Response? nothing, funny enough same came from Evan when I asked him what the connection between the two of them is. It does seem there is more to the past than we know but like I said we aren't digging! But at the same time if someone had a vendetta against me the way Evan has against Paul there is something that started it all.

I have been here on and off since 2007, I seen the Legacy stuff go through and how it connected both Paul and David Whittle due to having a local agent. There was some development that seen David lose the use of the agent and this is when he put his wife forward for it but you would have to talk to people then what happened to the money. Personally I seen the Legacy like all ponzi's good for a certain amount of time like a pyramid scheme its about getting in early. I didn't invest and I would discuss why on an open forum, but when it collapsed was the most interesting.

How much stuff can you read about the Legacy investments? Remembering that the yahoo groups were very active back then? Where are the posts that went via Paul and David and the disgruntled people that lost money? (not sure if people recovered they're loses or not afterwards as I know many who kept the pressure on did). My point is though this was a big financial scandal with lots of people involved and Paul as well as David were recruiting people into it. There were 10% commissions for the agent which in reality was P25,000 per investment.

The relevance being that this stuff gets wiped from the internet, people who lost money, people who trusted others (bad choices), but most importantly people walked away and BOTH then got other people to invest in new ventures Paul with his lending and David with his motorbike V4 if I remember right? Want to talk about millions being lost add Legacy and the other two ventures together your talking Billions. Nope not solely responsible for the total loses but I do believe in all cases people weren't warned of the high risks, may get told otherwise but from what I read and heard myself it was all about how much you make and not the risks.

This is why money isn't relevant in amounts because its to make people aware of others that sell things they have little experience in. Later on when it collapses you here the sob stories of I am not a financial adviser etc. etc.

Well I for one would rather know about peoples past histories especially when they work so hard to hide them.



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Quote from: 'wowwowee' pid='1854' dateline='1330588496'
Fact- Paul is still mia

Fact- some investors are really pissed that the spread sheet was published

Fact - Zsolt supplied the spread sheet to Evan

Fact- the biggest investors are Zsolt, Locktite and Mo

Fact- when someone who holds himself out as being an on the ground expert and one of the people who you can really trust and then uses that trust to rip you off it doesnt matter if its $10,000 usd or 10,000 pesos - you still got flipped by someone who was supposedly above that

Fact- when the person who abused your trust then disappears with a host of bs excuses rather than to deal in a straightforward manner with the accusations it is seem by many as the actions of a guilty man


I wonder where do you get your "facts" from.

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View PostPaul, on 29 February 2012 - 11:35 PM, said:


Yes, his name is Evan Iliadis. He has had an axe to grind against me since I first allowed Dean Marston to be openly shown for what he is/was, a pedophile.



Incidentally, since this involves each of you as well, I took it upon myself to visit his slanderous site and view the image. The file is from a newer version of Excel, which had to come from Bill's computer. My version is still 2003. How he got it, I have a pretty good idea.



Zsolt Gordos, my former Hungarian friend, gave him my passport image and the screenshot of the file in question. I still haven't worked out how he (Zsolt) got the Excel from Bill's computer, though. I assume he got it at some point while visiting Bill to pressure him to pay him out ahead of other investors.



Incidentally, the piece of Sh$t has access to this forum still. I would like to see what he has to say.



Well, first off, if you were not the owner (or what) of this forum, you would be banned for personal attack above. By your own rules.

Of course no rules apply to you, right?



Secondly, do you think your "reputation" (or whatever has left of it) would be any better if you try to make people believe in fairy tales, such as someone sneak into Bill's house, get into his computer and steal a file. Maybe you watch way too much of movies.



I tell you, storyteller, what are the problems with the lie you want to suggest to the readers of this thread.



Anyone who has met Bill and saw how he kept record of this "business" is witness of Bill not using Excel at all. Again: Bill NEVER USED EXCEL.

I have asked him when I 1st met him to show me the Excel sheets where he had the data of the loans, and it was shocking to hear when he said: he had no Excel and even did not know how to use it...



Was it true or not, I have no idea (he was old enough not to be excellent in Excel), but for fact he used hand written lists in school type of exercise books. Nothing electronic, nothing printed. Why would anyone do that if had Excel installed and knowledge of Excel?

Again, anyone who has had access to any document of the lending business can witness what I am saying, e.g. Dutchpiet, Mo Milson and surely others, let alone the 3 witnesses I had with me when I visited Bill.



On the other hand, I use Mac computers for more than a decade. While Excel is cross compatible, the sheets look different in Mac, compared to a Windows version. If you were able to identify that it was not the 2003 version, you could have figured also if it was from a Mac. But it was not.



So your idea is just an idea, but not pretty good.



Lets see the other part of your lie, the passport copy.



Your statement (that I have sent your passport copy to Evan) falls into tiny pieces when someone reads what you have said in another thread:



http://www.livinginc...in/page__st__20



View PostPaul, on 05 February 2012 - 01:23 PM, said:


The one and only scanned copy of my passport information, when sent to members who wished to invest originally, but who did not know me at the time, ended up on Evan's blog. The ONLY people who have EVER had access to that image, were people I sent it to by email, who became investors. That is, people who have access to this forum right now.



Right. Members who wished to invest originally. Which was not me, right? I was not and I have not been paid earlier for that same reason, because your brilliant idea was to pay first those who invested first - so to say: originally - regardless the amount they invested.



Incidentally these all were the small investors in relatively large number. You chose the small number of investors with big investments to be paid last. And as of today not paid at all. This approach would be interesting to be looked at closer. I do not want to suggest pretty good ideas here, anyone can get his own idea on why that happened.



Back to the point.



In that thread, quoted above, you started off-topic messages about your passport copy, accusing all people having access to this forum and it was not clear why you had to do that. When I asked, you replied as follows:



View PostPaul, on 06 February 2012 - 01:10 AM, said:


Zsolt, I never said you had, or were a recipient of the email. I merely stated that it was a member who has access to this forum.



(The screenshot of this communication is attached.)



So what happened? Have you found my email address among the recipients in the meantime? Of course not, that time I was not even close to invest with you.

I have all the communications between us and I am ready to post here or elsewhere if its necessary. Perhaps it might reveal some info that people would like to see.



Your baseless accusations would just undermine your credibility even more.



The only question remain left is: why you try to blame the passport and spreadsheet issue on me? As for the spreadsheet very likely because it came from you. You shared with someone (who's name you don't want to reveal) and that person has sent it to this Evan and you don't want to take the responsibility. As for the passport copy, that someone was not me as you have said yourself in the quoted message.



You try to make me a scapegoat here because I got the info where you are staying now and you are scared that I reveal. I wont. I only want my money back and you should help the remaining investors to have it back. I think with the same jovial style as you got people involved in the program (to be subtle).



This post together with screenshots will be published in other internet forums dealing with you to avoid them miraculously disappear from here. If they still would, members of this forum will still be able to see as some are members there, too.

And I stress, these forums are not associated with that Evan guy in any way, I don't know that person, never contacted or sent him anything. If you really don't know who has sent those files, try elsewhere, you are wrong.





have a good day,



the "piece of Sh$t"




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This is about who has and who has not forwarded Paul Petrea's passport copy and the investor sheet to Evan Iliadis.


http://www.livingincebuforums.com/ipb/topic/47441-update-for-investors/page__st__20__gopid__478713#entry478713

« Last Edit: March 3, 2012, 12:46:20 AM by Moalboring »

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This is about who has and who has not forwarded Paul Petrea's passport copy and the investor sheet to Evan Iliadis.


http://www.livingincebuforums.com/ipb/topic/47441-update-for-investors/page__st__20__gopid__478713#entry478713





That link says that i have no permission to see it .  If it disputes some of the "facts" that I posted please inform us what the real facts are.


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Here is the link to the public folder in google documents containing screenshots of the LinC post addressing the lies that Paul Petrea spreading about the published Excel file of the investors.


https://docs.google.com/open?id=0B19luFmlXI7LNVhDYlA0a1JUaGFBWnRCdzlQeEhxQQ







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Moalboring - thank you very much for that information.  I for one have no desire to spread information that is not true.  On the other hand, it has been very hard to get the investors to admit what the truth is . This thing is not only about peoples investments, this thing is about the veracity of Paul - is Paul a con artist who lied to people who he got to trust him, and is he now hiding from them ?  ---- or is Paul an innocent guy who will soon return from ???? and make sure that everyone gets their money back  [preferably with interest]

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