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RE: Looking for Paul Petrea In Cebu
« Reply #135 on: February 22, 2012, 10:59:45 AM »
Quote from: 'Markham' pid='984' dateline='1329905939'
Quote from: 'lamoya' pid='980' dateline='1329904784'
I am not satisfy by your explanation. You do not have any way to verify what you are just telling us through the ICE. If the number goes through you should get the owner. Did you?



It seems to me that Norseman has already provided you with all the information he has been able to establish through his contacts. In summary, Petrea's Passport is valid but has not been activated for the last 42 months - ie since August 2008.

QuoteI am repeating you the question again today on the US Law regarding the sufix SR and JR in the most simple way. We all know Paul has a son. So that gives us:

Woody Paul Petrea Father.(SR)
Woody Paul Petrea  Son.  ( JR)

Does the law in the US oblige the passports and any other ID document to care the respective suffixes Yes or no!

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It seems to me that Norseman has already provided you with all the information he has been able to establish through his contacts. In summary, Petrea's Passport is valid but has not been activated for the last 42 months - ie since August 2008.

Yes, but the problem I have with it is that is a misleading information. In order to be credible, HE MUST come forward with a "how to" and prove his allegation. Same with the SR JR thing. I ask Noeseman to explain the law on the matter and he replies about his passport that we haven't seen it and I don;t see why I'll get his word cash!

Folks, when time will come you'll understand the importance of this passport whether is good, fake or "a real fake".and why some fighting my allegations on this matter.
Keep in mind, me and others we are here not just for the purpose of helping the victims recovering their money, that money I am afraid the only way to get a portion will be if they act fast with a court proceeding on civil AND criminal court. I will come with more, much more on that, I am waiting for the "Americano" as he promised to tell us the outcome of his conversation with July. Any news on that?


As for the passport, the subject is now closed on my end.

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RE: Looking for Paul Petrea In Cebu
« Reply #136 on: February 22, 2012, 11:12:25 AM »
I think the Junior/Senior argument on the passport is rather irrelevant as a dormant passport for someone who isn't married living in the Philippines already raises larger questions. 42 months for someone who hasn't got a business I am aware of that entitles him to long term visas in the Philippines. Does make you wonder how he left the country for his annual leave if his passport hasn't seen service. IF the passport is invalid I am sure the issue has already been raised and if the U.S. embassy isn't taking an interest or the Philippines government its not important as nobody here is going to change their minds. But at the same time there may be interest in corrupt officials stamping a passport with Balikbayan stamps annually or the fact the tourist visa is several years out of date.

Now I would say this though has anyone ever heard of Paul leaving for his annual tourist visa renewal? Because I don't know Paul that well but its one of those things people bring up with photos of Cambodia, Laos,Vietnam,South Korea etc.

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RE: Looking for Paul Petrea In Cebu
« Reply #137 on: February 22, 2012, 11:23:15 AM »
Does make you wonder how he left the country for his annual leave?[/b]

don't you even know that hundreds if not thousands of expats never take any 'annual leave'. They just arrange for some bent official in the BoI to stamp their passport for another year. It costs anywhere between 10,000 and 20,000 pesos to pay them.

it doesn't have to take place in any BoI office. The Mcdonalds upstairs in Divisoria in CDO is a favorite location. There can be quite a queue of foreigners' wives and girlfriends waiting there with their meal-ticket's passports and the money to pay for the stamp because of course the old fool is too old or too sick to even walk too far, never mind go to the trouble of getting to Cebu or Manila and flying out of the country for a couple of days. I know one guy who hasn't left the Philippines for five years and hasn't even left Camiguin for three. He just gets his wife to get on the ferry and shell out 15,000 for an annual stamp to some bent official who works at the CDO BoI. I would be ready to bet that Paul was doing something like that and thus had no need to leave the country for years at a stretch like many others.

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RE: Looking for Paul Petrea In Cebu
« Reply #138 on: February 22, 2012, 11:39:26 AM »
Quote from: 'whippy' pid='995' dateline='1329909795'
Does make you wonder how he left the country for his annual leave?[/b]

don't you even know that hundreds if not thousands of expats never take any 'annual leave'. They just arrange for some bent official in the BoI to stamp their passport for another year. It costs anywhere between 10,000 and 20,000 pesos to pay them.

it doesn't have to take place in any BoI office. The Mcdonalds upstairs in Divisoria in CDO is a favorite location. There can be quite a queue of foreigners' wives and girlfriends waiting there with their meal-ticket's passports and the money to pay for the stamp because of course the old fool is too old or too sick to even walk too far, never mind go to the trouble of getting to Cebu or Manila and flying out of the country for a couple of days. I know one guy who hasn't left the Philippines for five years and hasn't even left Camiguin for three. He just gets his wife to get on the ferry and shell out 15,000 for an annual stamp to some bent official who works at the CDO BoI. I would be ready to bet that Paul was doing something like that and thus had no need to leave the country for years at a stretch like many others.


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RE: Looking for Paul Petrea In Cebu
« Reply #139 on: February 22, 2012, 11:48:29 AM »
there's a flourishing black market for the reason that it's cheaper for the foreigners and also because it makes the bent official, wherever in the Philippines he or she may be, more money.

I know almost for a fact Paul was doing something like this and took a measure of pride in not having left the country for years.

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RE: Looking for Paul Petrea In Cebu
« Reply #140 on: February 22, 2012, 01:12:23 PM »
I make no allegations about anything.  I just point out what I have found regarding the passport number.  You can assume your own point from there.  

http://www.state.gov/documents/organization/94676.pdf

There is the requirements for the names.  There is nothing that says it is mandatory.  Actually the whole name thing is pretty simple.  You can even use a nickname in your passport.  

QuoteName Suffixes: Naming conventions do not require strict logical
adherence in the addition of a name suffix such as Jr., Sr., II, and III.


Your how to is to either pay a service that is online at 49.99 dollars or have a contact that can provide you this information.  I am not going to give these things away.  If you want to come to my house in Cebu we will call and you can ask. However he will revel the limited information I received.  There is a Privacy Act issue that he can not violate.

« Last Edit: February 22, 2012, 01:38:31 PM by Norseman »

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RE: Looking for Paul Petrea In Cebu
« Reply #141 on: February 22, 2012, 01:40:09 PM »
Quote from: 'Norseman' pid='979' dateline='1329904678'
Whippy we had a nice conversation over the money lending thing. So what you say is true. You saw it 100% way before it happen. Your post here is indicative of the conversation we had.

Whippy you are not a scammer you are just tight I can say that 100% as I have had a few conversations with you.  You are just so tight you squeak when you walk.


Then there is an obvious question:
if NOW Whippy explains in such a chiseled fashion how certain he was about the lending business a scam, why on Earth he has never raised his voice then, warned people and why does he do now?
Now its too late, so its useless - or only good for feeding some ego thing (such as all others are idiots but not him), back then it could have saved many people's hard earned money.

So thanks whippy, just in time...


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RE: Looking for Paul Petrea In Cebu
« Reply #142 on: February 22, 2012, 01:46:15 PM »
He did in the forum on the post.  It was removed...

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RE: Looking for Paul Petrea In Cebu
« Reply #143 on: February 22, 2012, 02:00:30 PM »
Quote from: 'Moalboring' pid='1007' dateline='1329918009'
Quote from: 'Norseman' pid='979' dateline='1329904678'Whippy we had a nice conversation over the money lending thing. So what you say is true. You saw it 100% way before it happen. Your post here is indicative of the conversation we had.

Whippy you are not a scammer you are just tight I can say that 100% as I have had a few conversations with you.  You are just so tight you squeak when you walk.

Then there is an obvious question:
if NOW Whippy explains in such a chiseled fashion how certain he was about the lending business a scam, why on Earth he has never raised his voice then, warned people and why does he do now?
Now its too late, so its useless - or only good for feeding some ego thing (such as all others are idiots but not him), back then it could have saved many people's hard earned money.

So thanks whippy, just in time...



how the hell would you have liked me to tell you 15 months ago not to behave like an idiot and voluntarily decide to invest in what was obviously to any right-thinking person a harebrained scheme? When I don't even know your name?

I told several people what I thought about this, including Norseman.

but how would I have told you.

by giving out leaflets outside Ayala perhaps?

how about a megaphone? If you'd have been passing by and heard some kano with a loudhailer urging people not to buy into this obvious scam, would you have thought twice about it?

my guess is not. Because you'd have thought the kano with the megaphone was the idiot, not you.



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RE: Looking for Paul Petrea In Cebu
« Reply #144 on: February 22, 2012, 02:32:10 PM »
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Quote from: 'whippy' pid='995' dateline='1329909795'
Does make you wonder how he left the country for his annual leave?[/b]

don't you even know that hundreds if not thousands of expats never take any 'annual leave'. They just arrange for some bent official in the BoI to stamp their passport for another year. It costs anywhere between 10,000 and 20,000 pesos to pay them.

it doesn't have to take place in any BoI office. The Mcdonalds upstairs in Divisoria in CDO is a favorite location. There can be quite a queue of foreigners' wives and girlfriends waiting there with their meal-ticket's passports and the money to pay for the stamp because of course the old fool is too old or too sick to even walk too far, never mind go to the trouble of getting to Cebu or Manila and flying out of the country for a couple of days. I know one guy who hasn't left the Philippines for five years and hasn't even left Camiguin for three. He just gets his wife to get on the ferry and shell out 15,000 for an annual stamp to some bent official who works at the CDO BoI. I would be ready to bet that Paul was doing something like that and thus had no need to leave the country for years at a stretch like many others.


Tourist Visa can be renewed LEGALLY for TWO years & even beyond


I have been asked by a member in a PM, how you can do this. I thought I would pass it on here for all too:

Quotehttp://immigration.gov.ph/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=207&Itemid=37

What is the maximum extension of stay that can be granted?
Foreigners holding temporary visitors visa pursuant to Philippine Immigration Act of 1940 and aliens admitted under E.O. 408 may extend their stay in the Philippines every 2 months for a total stay of 16 months. Extension of stay after16 months, up to 24 months need the approval of the Chief of the Immigration Regulation Division. Extension of stay after 24 months need the approval of the Commissioner. (MCL Memorandum dated 31 July 2007)


The important bit being that the Commissioner can extend BEYOND 24 months.
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RE: Looking for Paul Petrea In Cebu
« Reply #145 on: February 22, 2012, 03:11:32 PM »
If this reply makes it through, it was about the 6th attempt to post.

This forum is looking like LinC part 2.
Do you think that if anyone sounded the alarm on a pending scam on LinC, that it would not go unchallenged and all the "feel good boys" that supported every scammer on LinC would tell you that you are wrong.

Go back and read the scam KC8UAL pulled on a few of the readers on LinC. He didn't get much, but maybe your pride.
I seem to recall maybe 2 people telling everyone that what Nick wanted to do was near impossible. You were warned as gently as possible, because if they came out and told everyone it was a scam, it would be deleted and the poster banned.
So many came to Nick's defense (many now here on this forum) that it boggled my mind how they could be so naive.
I guess you guys have lead a sheltered life to get sucked into these things. It is classic SCAM 101.

Offer something too good to be true, make it seem like you will be left out if you don't participate, get people to vouch for you (which many said Nick was good for what he promised), get the money, then start making excuses why things went wrong, and finally the "investors" do not have their money, and the scammer is enjoying life on your dime.

With Paul's scam, a simple GOOGLE search would reveal a few people knew from the very start that Paul was a SCAMMER.
http://sexpatswallofshame.blogspot.com/2010/10/paul-petreas-new-scam.html

If you guys need hand-holding with every aspect of your life, and feel the need to ask some of the most ridiculous questions, and then expect serious answers on some forum that has misfits, drunks, and who knows what else, then I guess you get what is the obvious.


« Last Edit: February 22, 2012, 03:28:21 PM by harrell »
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RE: Looking for Paul Petrea In Cebu
« Reply #146 on: February 22, 2012, 03:54:12 PM »
As I promised, I had a meeting with Julie at my home yesterday and at her home today. The following is completely unbiased. I tried to ask important questions and she answered them. I hope I didn't leave anything out. At the end I will give you my opinion.

February 21, Meeting at my home with Julie. We talked for 2 or 3 hours. She explained the money making programs to me and I asked several questions.

Q.  Do you know some people believe Paul is hiding and he refuses to answer any questions about the investments?

A.  No, I haven’t heard that. I heard he went to America. He sent a message to me on Facebook and said he will return in May to help me get the money from one bank account that is in his name and Bill’s.  And, Paul said I don’t use Facebook much so contact me on the forum.

Q.  Since Bill’s death, have any investors contacted you by phone or in person.

A.  Only one, Moe, I have a meeting with him tomorrow morning.

Q.  What are the different investment programs that you and Bill have been operating for forum members?

A.  Salary Loans and Expense Allowance.

Q.  When someone made an investment were they told which program their money would be used in?

A.  No, all of the money is put into one pool and used where its needed.

Q.  How was the business split up last October?

A.  Some investors were paid off through Paul and they could continue investing if they wanted to. Paul had to sign for the money given to him to pay off investors but I have no way of knowing if all were paid as agreed. Two investors contacted me and said they wanted their investment back and I told them that I already gave their investment to Paul. I don’t know if the issue was resolved.

Q.  Do you have access to all of the bank accounts and invested money?

A.  All of the invested money is in two bank accounts. One account is in my name and the other one is in Bill’s and Paul’s name, so I don’t have access to it.

Q.  Can investors get their money back now or do they need to wait?

A.  I haven’t been posting in the forum because Bill was doing that and because of his death. Very soon I’m going to post in the investor’s forum named GEL and make a proposal. I will propose to pay out 50% to each investor and then make another pay out later.

Q.  Do you mean you will make a 50% pay out soon?

A.  There’s not enough money to pay out now. The amount invested including earned interest is 1.7 million. 50% pay out would be 850 thousand. Right now there is about 60,000 total in both bank accounts. 20,000+ in the account I have access to and about 40,000  in the account of Bill and Paul.  

Q.  When will you have enough money to do a 50% pay out?

A.  The borrowers agreed in writing that we would receive their December bonuses which would have been about 1.5 million but it didn’t happen. And, since Bill got sick and died I haven’t been there to collect the money.

Q.  Paul told me and others that the payments would be taken out of the borrowers pay before they received it and deposited into an account. Are you saying that you have to personally collect it?

A.  There’s nothing like that in the Philippines were money is taken out of pay before the employee is paid. Employees are paid on the 15th and 30th of every month. I must be there to collect the money. I usually go to the collection area on Mon, Tue, Thru and Fri. of each week. We were suppose to get the money with their ATM cards but that didn't work out.

Q.  How many borrowers are late on payments.

A.  Since I wasn’t there to collect for a long time there are a lot late. We have 75 borrowers with 100 loans. Some have 2 loans. 25 are current so 50 are late. They haven’t seen me so they haven’t been paying. Some have been late for a long time so I gave them a collection letter saying I will file a case in small claims court if they don’t pay in 10 days. It costs 2,000 to file against each person in small claims court but I believe they will start paying now without filing a case.

Q.  Do you know if any investors money is unaccounted for?

A.  Bill was a very honest person. I’m sure he didn’t do anything dishonest. We initially had 27 investors. We paid off 20 investors and only have 7 now. All the money we have is in two accounts. Two investors asked for their money and I told them I already gave it to Paul. That’s the only thing I know about.

Q.  If someone gave money to Paul to invest and he didn’t give in to you or Bill would you know about it?

A.  I wouldn’t know about that.


February 22  Meeting with Julie at her home. Looking at her book.

Julie -  Here are the names of the 27 initial investors. Here are the 7 investors we have now. 20 investors were paid off. Of the 7 investors we have now I only know the screen name of two.  Five I don’t know their screen names. Do you know which one is Kahuna?

Me – No, I don’t know his real name.

Julie – Do you know who Locktite is?

Me – No, I don’t know his name either. Out of those seven I only know one person.

Julie – I can’t answer their questions on the forum because I don’t know their real name. I only have their real names in my book.

Julie – Paul sent me a message today and said he will give me their screen names.

Julie – I already made a post in the GEL


I really believe Bill and Julie have been honest and did the best they could with the loans and making pay outs.

The only questions in my mind are:

1.  Did Paul turn over all invested money to Bill and Julie?  Only Paul knows the answer to that question without father investigation which involves all of the investors.

2.  When pay outs were made and Paul signed for the money, did he return all of the money to the investors?  Only Paul knows the answer to that question without father investigation which involves all of the investors.

3.  Is the money still in the bank account that only Bill and Paul had access to?   I guess we will know in May when Paul returns.
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RE: Looking for Paul Petrea In Cebu
« Reply #147 on: February 22, 2012, 04:23:50 PM »
Hmmm
Now it is May when Paul will return.

Also how can the borrowers be late in their payments? I thought their ATM cards were held as collateral and the money owed was withdrawn directly from their accounts on payday.

The thing I see is that the whole business was illegal. So everyone involved may be guilty.

I know the 5/6 business is huge in the Philippines, but it is illegal.

People over at the other forum are debating that how can one know all the laws of their host country, but maybe it is a lesson to do some research prior to getting yourself in trouble or becoming a victim.
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RE: Looking for Paul Petrea In Cebu
« Reply #148 on: February 22, 2012, 04:27:56 PM »
harrell,

I'm sorry I forgot about the ATM cards. That never happened as the investors were told. I don't know if it was a deliberate lie or if it couldn't be legally enforced. From the very beginning Julie has been collecting money from the borrowers in person.

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RE: Looking for Paul Petrea In Cebu
« Reply #149 on: February 22, 2012, 04:43:23 PM »
Quote from: 'Norseman' pid='1008' dateline='1329918375'
He did in the forum on the post.  It was removed...


Do you know who deleted that post?


Quote from: 'Americano' pid='1031' dateline='1329928076'
harrell,

I'm sorry I forgot about the ATM cards. That never happened as the investors were told. I don't know if it was a deliberate lie or if it couldn't be legally enforced. From the very beginning Julie has been collecting money from the borrowers in person.


Well obvious it was a lie. They didn't have the ATM cards but said they did.

I know of a person doing 5/6 and they have the borrowers ATM card. What law would prevent someone from giving another person their ATM card?

Your interview shows now that this entire lending business was built on lies and deception. There was zero accountability and transparency.

This is why the 5/6 lending business is illegal and anyone involved has no one to blame but themselves. You are all adults, you got suckered. Was it the greed of making 60% interest, that NEVER did happen, even with the first payments. Why were you not asking questions back then?
« Last Edit: February 22, 2012, 04:48:28 PM by harrell »
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